Slitherine

Noticed one rather garbled entry so far in Wolves - Carolingian Frankish, p38, Frankish "horse archers".

The quality column has Average over Drilled, whilst the training column has Undrilled.

Now, given that the points for the two options are 16 and 17, I presume the Average is a complete error, and the entry should be offering:
Cavalry, Armoured, Superior, Lancers & Swordsmen, with a choice of Undrilled at 16 pts or Drilled at 17 pts.

Oh and is it intentional that cheaper option Average quality East Frankish cavalry can dismount as Superior Off Spears as per the Army list notes?

DBS wrote:Noticed one rather garbled entry so far in Wolves - Carolingian Frankish, p38, Frankish "horse archers".

The quality column has Average over Drilled, whilst the training column has Undrilled.

Now, given that the points for the two options are 16 and 17, I presume the Average is a complete error, and the entry should be offering:
Cavalry, Armoured, Superior, Lancers & Swordsmen, with a choice of Undrilled at 16 pts or Drilled at 17 pts.

They should be Superior with a choice of Drilled/Undrilled. The points values are correct.

Oh and is it intentional that cheaper option Average quality East Frankish cavalry can dismount as Superior Off Spears as per the Army list notes?

A lot of armies have this. Look at the English medievals. They still cost at least as much as the foot versions, generally more. e.g. Mounted fyrd in the Anglo danish. Poor cav LS Sw, dismount as Av Off Sp. Who would want to stay on the horse??

philqw78 wrote:
A lot of armies have this. Look at the English medievals. They still cost at least as much as the foot versions, generally more. e.g. Mounted fyrd in the Anglo danish. Poor cav LS Sw, dismount as Av Off Sp. Who would want to stay on the horse??

Someone trying to catch LF?

lawrenceg wrote:

philqw78 wrote:
A lot of armies have this. Look at the English medievals. They still cost at least as much as the foot versions, generally more. e.g. Mounted fyrd in the Anglo danish. Poor cav LS Sw, dismount as Av Off Sp. Who would want to stay on the horse??

Someone trying to catch LF?

Trying to catch LF with Poor cavalry would be a risky business indeed.

DBS wrote:Oh and is it intentional that cheaper option Average quality East Frankish cavalry can dismount as Superior Off Spears as per the Army list notes?

Yes. The Superior mounted option assumes they are equally happy fighting mounted or on foot. The Average mounted option assumes that they prefer to fight on foot. Preferences varied in different regions of East Frankia, so a free choice is allowed.

Thanks for the clarification, Richard - I thought that might possibly be the answer but wanted to be sure it was intentional.

rbodleyscott wrote:

lawrenceg wrote:

philqw78 wrote:
A lot of armies have this. Look at the English medievals. They still cost at least as much as the foot versions, generally more. e.g. Mounted fyrd in the Anglo danish. Poor cav LS Sw, dismount as Av Off Sp. Who would want to stay on the horse??

Someone trying to catch LF?

Trying to catch LF with Poor cavalry would be a risky business indeed.

I dunno, you get double the number of dice and re-roll 6's. You'll probably have POA advantage. All of which is embarrassing if you roll all 6's, but on the law of averages I think it's moderately safe.

Wouldn't do it against Superior Swordsmen right enough.

Ian

You need to catch the LF who will be shooting at you a lot. Its not the combat that is the problem. And Cav have a haed time catching LF as they move the same distance

philqw78 wrote:You need to catch the LF who will be shooting at you a lot. Its not the combat that is the problem. And Cav have a haed time catching LF as they move the same distance

Not so hard a time as HF moving 2 MU slower though.

Andalusian error pag 30-31

** is marked on page 30 as a minimum

page 31 has no items listed with **

the assumption is they refer to the Regualr spearmen since the allies are so marked on page 32....

Madcam

Re Poor Cav chasing LF

Not so hard a time as HF moving 2 MU slower though.

But the HF are very unlikely to rout frm being shot. Poor Cav will, almost definately, before they catch LF.

madcam2us wrote:Andalusian error pag 30-31

** is marked on page 30 as a minimum

page 31 has no items listed with **

the assumption is they refer to the Regualr spearmen since the allies are so marked on page 32....

No error. It refers to the ** in the ally list.

i.e. You can have an Andalusian ally contingent without any infantry, but if you bring any infantry you must have the minima marked **.

An Andalusian army has no option but to include infantry, including regular searmen.

Page 45 Viking list:
English rebel allies i asume to be Anglo danish, but when ally name differs from actual list name it's nice to have it stated.