Slitherine

When it says "Bonus of X units from A (missing), B (missing) and C (not missing), do I get "X" units because I have at least one of the (in this case) three needed items? Do I get (again, in this case) three times X if I had all three needed items, or can I never get more than just the single "X"? Thanks, I tried to find this out in the manual but I'm a bit confused about the extent of the bonus.

if you about trade goods - yeah you gain bonus from each good (and for bonus it can be in adjacent region)

Ragu777 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:35 pm if you about trade goods - yeah you gain bonus from each good (and for bonus it can be in adjacent region)

Yes, it is about trade goods. Thanks for the answer. It is nice that trade kind of takes care of itself, I could spend a lot of time on it (and probably will sometime).

And when it says you make X amount of money plus a bonus of this, this, and that" does that mean that you make X amount of money or X amount of money plus the bonus for a total that is not shown?
e.g. you get 9 food
there is a bonus of 6 food if you have fish
Does that mean you get 9 food in total or 15 food in total?

vakarr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:36 am And when it says you make X amount of money plus a bonus of this, this, and that" does that mean that you make X amount of money or X amount of money plus the bonus for a total that is not shown?
e.g. you get 9 food
there is a bonus of 6 food if you have fish
Does that mean you get 9 food in total or 15 food in total?

I see what you're saying (I think). In the example below, is the 5 Money you are getting for Tar going to be in addition to the base 5 Money (for a total of 10), or is the Estimated Changes of 5 Food and 5 Money already include that 5 Money from Tar? Is that correct vakarr?

you'd get 10 money if you had the tar

no, you get 5, because you already have tar - and 5 money already shown

Temple wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:09 am Is that correct vakarr?

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Yes, precisely, food (in particular) never seems to add up. It seems obvious but I asked a similar question before, during the beta, and got a confusing answer.

Ragu777 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:10 am no, you get 5, because you already have tar - and 5 money already shown

Then where is the bonus?

vakarr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:51 am

Ragu777 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:10 am no, you get 5, because you already have tar - and 5 money already shown

Then where is the bonus?

without Tar you only get 5 food from hemp
it show ESTIMATED CHANGES - so ALL that you gain with all bonuses (that you have now) and modifers in region (including faction-wide), not base profit

Ragu is right on this - I got mixed up

Ragu777 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:00 pm

vakarr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:51 am

Ragu777 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:10 am no, you get 5, because you already have tar - and 5 money already shown

Then where is the bonus?

without Tar you only get 5 food from hemp
it show ESTIMATED CHANGES - so ALL that you gain with all bonuses (that you have now) and modifers in region (including faction-wide), not base profit

This is confusing - you seem to say I get 5 from hemp and a bonus of nothing if I have tar, which sounds to me like there is no bonus. What do you have to do to get the bonus if you have the required trade good?

vakarr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:12 pm

This is confusing - you seem to say I get 5 from hemp and a bonus of nothing if I have tar, which sounds to me like there is no bonus. What do you have to do to get the bonus if you have the required trade good?

basically you get 5 food
if you have Tar - you get 5 money as bonus
because you already have Tar (it's not red - missing) you get 5 food and 5 money, and tooltip show it

Ragu777 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:15 pm basically you get 5 food
if you have Tar - you get 5 money as bonus
because you already have Tar (it's not red - missing) you get 5 food and 5 money, and tooltip show it

If true the building effects info is somewhat confusing.
I always understood it as

Base
5 food
5 money

If you have Tar, you get an additional +5 Money (so total 10 money).

I'm sure I'm not the only one who understand building effects this way.

you never see that in recently conquerer regions building give less than normal? (sometimes i see 0 culture from monument)

roguedjack wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:41 pm

Ragu777 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:15 pm basically you get 5 food
if you have Tar - you get 5 money as bonus
because you already have Tar (it's not red - missing) you get 5 food and 5 money, and tooltip show it

If true the building effects info is somewhat confusing.
I always understood it as

Base
5 food
5 money

If you have Tar, you get an additional +5 Money (so total 10 money).

I'm sure I'm not the only one who understand building effects this way.

This is in the manual 6.1.5 and esp the images and discussion pp 55-56. The value shown is an estimate given the current trading situation. If the needed goods are in the region, then its accurate (& includes any available bonus), if you are trading for them it does its best to guess (but makes the most optimistic assumption), so if the good doesn't exist in range the income is -3*value of the good, if its an external trade its the value of the good if there is the possibility of an internal trade then it assumes you pay 1/2*value. Now in reality it might be worse, if a trading power grabs the trade or the trade route fails which is one reason for differences between est gold income and actual

Ragu777 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:50 pm you never see that in recently conquerer regions building give less than normal? (sometimes i see 0 culture from monument)

exactly, the production of the buildings are also affected by the status of the region which is sometimes why you see very low value for production soon after conquest, or if raided and a bonus if loyalty>75

Maybe this is a difference in thinking between the continent and Anglo-Saxons, does the word "bonus" mean something different on the continent? If I see that I have a base of 5 and a bonus of 5 and I fulfill the requirements for the bonus then I should get 10 (or something better than 5 at least)

vakarr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:11 pm Maybe this is a difference in thinking between the continent and Anglo-Saxons, does the word "bonus" mean something different on the continent? If I see that I have a base of 5 and a bonus of 5 and I fulfill the requirements for the bonus then I should get 10 (or something better than 5 at least)

where you see base 5?

it NOT BASE it's estimated changes with ALL bonuses and modifers

and bonus is mean that you don't need import this good for work in this region, and can gain bonus if this trade good in adjacent regions

Although it doesn't say "base" 5 it says that if you have just got Hemp and nothing else you get 5 but if you have Hemp and something else you get 5 for Hemp and a bonus, also estimated to be 5
So Hemp + nothing = 5
5= "base"
Hemp +bonus also equals 5, then bonus = 0

Gosh, who knew I'd stir up such a hornet's nest?

For my edification, I looked up in the Steam Game Guides Grognerd's Guide to Structures, Trade Goods and the Economy

This is what he had to say about Hemp Fields:



So, as I read that, I only get Money if I have the bonus Tar, plus the default Food. If I don't have Tar, I only get the Food. So in the below image, I'm getting the Money in the Estimated Changes because I have access to Tar, otherwise it would be only the Food. So zero Money without Tar, 5 Money with Tar.