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pinwolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:01 pm Actually it's their purpose to stay at full size in the rear far away from the frontline all the time.
In this way they add to the percentage share of all the forces commited to the battle at a low cost.
When units at the front are routing it has now less effect on the army morale at whole.

PDiFolco wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:33 pm

pinwolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:01 pm Actually it's their purpose to stay at full size in the rear far away from the frontline all the time.
In this way they add to the percentage share of all the forces commited to the battle at a low cost.
When units at the front are routing it has now less effect on the army morale at whole.

I was assuming that rout % was calculated using unit value not nr of men.. they don't count much then!
Plus if any enemy cav catches or fire at them they're lost....

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:40 pm

PDiFolco wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:33 pm

pinwolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:01 pm Actually it's their purpose to stay at full size in the rear far away from the frontline all the time.
In this way they add to the percentage share of all the forces commited to the battle at a low cost.
When units at the front are routing it has now less effect on the army morale at whole.

I was assuming that rout % was calculated using unit value not nr of men.. they don't count much then!
Plus if any enemy cav catches or fire at them they're lost....

It is based on the size of the unit rather than the points value, otherwise it would be viable to use cheap units as suicide troops to buy time with little adverse consequence. (You can of course still attempt to buy time with cheap troops, but not with impunity).

This is a deliberate design feature.

PDiFolco wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:28 am

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:40 pm

PDiFolco wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:33 pm

I was assuming that rout % was calculated using unit value not nr of men.. they don't count much then!
Plus if any enemy cav catches or fire at them they're lost....

It is based on the size of the unit rather than the points value, otherwise it would be viable to use cheap units as suicide troops to buy time with little adverse consequence. (You can of course still attempt to buy time with cheap troops, but not with impunity).

This is a deliberate design feature.

Ok, I had all wrong and stand corrected now!
But don't they then mostly create a cheap Rout buffer instead of being grindmeat? it's a bit gamey as well..

MVP7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:04 am To me rout buffer seems more realistic than throw-away infantry. At least some "barbarian" armies had non-combatants acting as cheering squad and spectators. Some high medieval peasant infantry probably had pretty much similar role in practice. When there have been very low quality units in ancient/medieval armies they have typically not been used as cannon fodder but reserves. The sight of low quality troops getting routed would probably have very harmful effect on morale of the rest of the army.

PDiFolco wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:03 am

MVP7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:04 am To me rout buffer seems more realistic than throw-away infantry. At least some "barbarian" armies had non-combatants acting as cheering squad and spectators. Some high medieval peasant infantry probably had pretty much similar role in practice. When there have been very low quality units in ancient/medieval armies they have typically not been used as cannon fodder but reserves. The sight of low quality troops getting routed would probably have very harmful effect on morale of the rest of the army.

IMHO it should have been the reverse eg troops were demoralized when they saw their elite corps rout, not much when it was crap rabble...

Geffalrus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:59 pm I feel like it's not completely based on size since a unit of 20 elephants definitely contribute more than 1% score.