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HF with LF Bow attached in third rank

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:07 pm
by Petefloro
Hi - just a quick question & apologies if this has been dealt with earlier.
A BG of 6 bases of Legionaries (HF Superior etc) in 2 ranks of 3, with 3 LF Bow(Sup.) in the 3rd rank as support shooters - counting a total of 9 bases in the BG. I know that they all cohesion test together as HF, but do the LF count as HF in any other circumstances?
Specificly,what happens when the BG is charged in the rear or flank? I know the rear rank(LF) turns to face the charges, but do they fight as LF or HF?
Could anyone enlighten me on this?
cheers

Re: HF with LF Bow attached in third rank

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:24 pm
by david53
Petefloro wrote:Hi - just a quick question & apologies if this has been dealt with earlier.
A BG of 6 bases of Legionaries (HF Superior etc) in 2 ranks of 3, with 3 LF Bow(Sup.) in the 3rd rank as support shooters - counting a total of 9 bases in the BG. I know that they all cohesion test together as HF, but do the LF count as HF in any other circumstances?
Specificly,what happens when the BG is charged in the rear or flank? I know the rear rank(LF) turns to face the charges, but do they fight as LF or HF?
Could anyone enlighten me on this?
cheers
Checked the rules can't find it but this came up in my last battle they fight as LF if charged in flank rear and count as LF for shooting.
Dave

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:20 am
by Petefloro
Thanks David
I sort of figured it would be that - it came up in one of our games recently too and that's the way we played it.However,when in the melee phase and a LF base is behind a HF base that is in frontal contact with enemy bacause one HF base was lost ithe previous impact phase-and so the 2 base file behind(1HF & 1LF) moved up to maintain contact,do the 2 bases count as HF in the ensuing melee? Or would it be: 1 HF & 1LF behind - deducting dice because of the LF? (and of course the would lose dice for being disrupted)
What do you think?
Has anyone else got any thoughts on this?
cheers

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:28 am
by philqw78
Rear ranks fight like the front ranks, at the same POA's. You would lose a dice if you had two LF fighting in the second rank, lose one dice per 2 bases, but since you had only one you don't. Disrupted dice are then taken off. So you would lose one from 4. 3HF and 1LF dice minus 1 dice per 3 for disruption. So you get 3 dice at front rank POA's.

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:28 am
by hammy
When LF end up in the second rank behind HF or MF they use the POA of the front rank bases but only get LF dice so lose 1 per 2

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:34 am
by rogerg
This has been well covered. I do not have the rules with me to point out the place. A file fights with the POA factors of its front rank. The dice are counted as the troop type. So effectively the LF behind the HF counts as one and a half HF. As the half rounds up, the first of these makes no difference. The second loss is significant.
For example, if the BG is 4HF with 2LF support, after taking two base losses there will be 2HF with 2LF behind. This counts as three dice fighting with the POA of the front rank.

If the front ranks were spearmen, the LF in the second rank would not be a spear so the two ranks of spear POA would be lost.

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:42 am
by Petefloro
OK. Thanks everyone - sorted :)

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:19 pm
by domblas
but if ur LF in 3rd rank is contacted by flank charge (and not the HF in second rank). The LF turns and fight as LF with his POAs and dice on melee (and -- at impact).
note: The BG is still considered as HF for test purpose.