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Judea is in the wrong place
Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 4:40 pm
by Yaitz331
I watched DasTactic's stream of Challenge 2, and when he shows the bigger map, the placement of Judea is wrong. The location seems to be Transjordan, which, while indeed the site of a Jewish domain (that of Hyrcanus son of Tobias, who set up a Ptolemaic-leaning principality in Ammanitis, which lasted until 168 BCE), that was most emphatically not the location of Judea.

That's a picture of the Persian province of Judea. The Hellenistic province of Judea consisted of the northern half of that, with the southern half being absorbed into the Hellenistic province of Idumaea.
Moving Judea to the province to the west and slightly to the south, where Jerusalem is, would work far better.
Re: Judea is in the wrong place
Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 1:35 pm
by Pocus
We had to do a kind of twist here. We wanted to have Judea gameplay being one of a nation in exile and in rebellion against Jerusalem occupier, Antigonos. So that's why their initial region is not the correct one, because the correct one would not be owned by Judea anyway... So that said, if you play Judea, the goal will be to trigger some special events and muster your forces progressively so you can storm Jerusalem from the hands of the big power holding it, Antigonos, or Seleukos, depending of how the war goes between these two. Then you'll need to survive in this position, but you'll have some unique benefits for that...
Re: Judea is in the wrong place
Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 6:46 pm
by Yaitz331
Pocus wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:35 pm
We had to do a kind of twist here. We wanted to have Judea gameplay being one of a nation in exile and in rebellion against Jerusalem occupier, Antigonos. So that's why their initial region is not the correct one, because the correct one would not be owned by Judea anyway... So that said, if you play Judea, the goal will be to trigger some special events and muster your forces progressively so you can storm Jerusalem from the hands of the big power holding it, Antigonos, or Seleukos, depending of how the war goes between these two. Then you'll need to survive in this position, but you'll have some unique benefits for that...
Sounds like a fascinating dynamic, but what's the historical basis for a Judea-in-exile? As far as I'm aware, there was no real Jewish unrest until Antiochus IV.
Re: Judea is in the wrong place
Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:38 pm
by Yaitz331
Speaking of Judea...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezBkUI_sYN4&t=12m40s
You can see that Judea is listed as a "Stable Sect". What kind of government is a sect?
Re: Judea is in the wrong place
Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:41 pm
by Tamas
it's the tribal (initial/youngest) stage of the theocratic branch of governments.
Re: Judea is in the wrong place
Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:56 pm
by Yaitz331
Tamas wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 2:41 pm
it's the tribal (initial/youngest) stage of the theocratic branch of governments.
OK, got it. Thanks.