Slitherine

Skirmishers and Cav/LCh in a single line can evade if contacted by pursuers in the joint action phase. The rules are not very specific on when this happens, or at least we couldn't find it last night.

According to the sequence of play Evades only happen in the impact phase. The statement about pursuits/evades in the JAP, says the skirmishers contacted can, but not when (and goes on about counting as an impact in the next impact phase if no evade in the previous bullet point)

Are we missing the word immediately, is it somewhere else, do they eavde in the next impact phase?

Skirmishers and Cav/LCh in a single line can evade if (and when) contacted by pursuers in the joint action phase.

Yes they just do it at the time they would be contacted as a response.

Si

But where is this in the rules. Generally the best way to play is following the step by step turn sequence, but this does not fit in.

philqw78 wrote:But where is this in the rules. Generally the best way to play is following the step by step turn sequence, but this does not fit in.

Page 108, near the end.

Thanks

Intersting, you read P108 last night and didn't seem happy.

FWIW if your theory that the lack of specific mention of evades in the JAP is relevant then what happens if pursuers in the impact phase or melee phase would contact enemy that can evade? Do the enemy not evade then either?

Troops evading pursuers is an integral part of pursuit and happens at that point.

you read P108 last night and didn't seem happy.

I haven't said I was happy yet, I have said thanks for the page reference, which I won't be able to read until tonight.

what happens if pursuers in the impact phase or melee phase would contact enemy that can evade? Do the enemy not evade then either?

They, perhaps, if in melee phase, make contact and that is resolved in the next impact phase with the evade then. If in the impact phase it is resolved immediately like what it says. I will read those bits tonight though as I don't live the life of luxury you do.

philqw78 wrote:

you read P108 last night and didn't seem happy.

I haven't said I was happy yet, I have said thanks for the page reference, which I won't be able to read until tonight.

what happens if pursuers in the impact phase or melee phase would contact enemy that can evade? Do the enemy not evade then either?

They, perhaps, if in melee phase, make contact and that is resolved in the next impact phase with the evade then. If in the impact phase it is resolved immediately like what it says. I will read those bits tonight though as I don't live the life of luxury you do.

My point is Phil that the wording on what happens in the JAP with regard to pursuers and evaders is exactly the same as it is for what happens when troops pursue BGs that break in impact combat and melee combat.

I really don't know where you got the idea that your BG 'pursued' till it hit the BG that was going to evade then the whole lot stood there until the next impact phase where the evaders evaded and you charged some more. That really does not make any sense at all.

Have a read when you get home.

It doesn't have to make sense, rules don't have to make sense and lots don't. I agree with your interpretation. But following the turn sequence evades happen in the impact phase.

philqw78 wrote:It doesn't have to make sense, rules don't have to make sense and lots don't. I agree with your interpretation. But following the turn sequence evades happen in the impact phase.

I am willing to bet that you have played evades in the impact phase after combat and the melee phase after combat without blinking an eye.

I am still struggling to see how the section of the pursuit rules that says:

Non-shock cavalry, camelry or light chariots entirely 1 base deep or skirmishers that would be contacted by enemy pursuers in any phase can evade (unless they are already in close combat other than only as an overlap).

means anything other than that the evade happens then and there.

If evades can only happen in the impact phase there are a whole pile of really silly things that can happen as a result.

I for one have never read it as anything other than the evade happens immediately - the whole rule is set within the context of the the phase the game is in and so the evade would happen then.

This one came up in a game I was playing as well, and as an ignorant newbie I took my ruling from my vastly more experienced opponent, despite it seeming to contradict what was in the rules.

So, to get this clear.

The evade happens in the same phase as the pursuit move that would contact them - and presumably precedes that pursuit move ?

Any resulting combat would still occur in the next impact phase - whether your own or the enemy's

The movement however would not, so if the evade happened in your opponent's JAP, the BG that evaded would be free to move, charge or do anything else as normal in your next turn.

Is that correct?

I for one have never read it as anything other than the evade happens immediately - the whole rule is set within the context of the the phase the game is in and so the evade would happen then.

Which is the sensible answer and I agree. I am probably reading the rules too hard, but the addition of the word immediately would have avoided this whole thread. Its in the paragraph above. As in fightimg immediately if you pursue into fresh enemy in the impact phase. And that paragraph is in the JAP. Just being pedantic. Or is it peltastic?

jcmedhurst wrote:This one came up in a game I was playing as well, and as an ignorant newbie I took my ruling from my vastly more experienced opponent, despite it seeming to contradict what was in the rules.

So, to get this clear.

The evade happens in the same phase as the pursuit move that would contact them - and presumably precedes that pursuit move ?

Any resulting combat would still occur in the next impact phase - whether your own or the enemy's

The movement however would not, so if the evade happened in your opponent's JAP, the BG that evaded would be free to move, charge or do anything else as normal in your next turn.

Is that correct?

That is my understanding and the way I have always played the game. It simply doesn't work if you do it any other way.