Slitherine

What is the effect of streams now? I've been told that all they do is provide a line of squares that are not counted as clear terrain, and they are not an obstacle. Is that correct?

I'm pretty sure that's correct. It means some cavalry and heavy infantry specific bonuses and penalties are null and light infantry can charge non-light that are in the stream. Deep stream has movement penalty and disorders units on top of that.

There are multiple types of streams. Some simply cost more AP to move across and count as not open, some cause disorder. Mouse over them with detailed tooltips enabled and the game will tell you.

I thought that none caused disorder after the last update?

That is not true. The rules as to streams have not changed... I think ever.

Ok the exact text from the patch notes is: "Light Foot can only charge non-light troops if the latter are in Rough or Difficult terrain. (They could previously charge them in non-Open terrain that was neither of these - e.g. small Streams)."

"Unless they are in Rough or Difficult terrain, or defending an obstacle, Light Foot will now always evade non-light troops."

So, why don't small streams count as an obstacle? It's now no use stationing light troops behind a stream. Oh, it's part of the war on light troops... I have a solution, the "No light troops" mod, I shall get cracking on it.

vakarr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:42 am Ok the exact text from the patch notes is: "Light Foot can only charge non-light troops if the latter are in Rough or Difficult terrain. (They could previously charge them in non-Open terrain that was neither of these - e.g. small Streams)."

"Unless they are in Rough or Difficult terrain, or defending an obstacle, Light Foot will now always evade non-light troops."

So, why don't small streams count as an obstacle? It's now no use stationing light troops behind a stream. Oh, it's part of the war on light troops... I have a solution, the "No light troops" mod, I shall get cracking on it.

I have made a quick test scenario, to test the effects of all types of streams on Light Infantry;

Normal Small Stream

LI cannot charge non-lights.


Large Stream

LI can charge non-lights.

Large Stream counts as Rough Terrain so disorders mounted, elephants and heavy foot, severely disorders cataphracts, heavy chariots and scythed chariots.

Deep Stream

LI can charge non-lights.

Deep Stream counts as Difficult Terrain so severely disorders mounted, elephants and heavy foot, disorders others except light foot.

So you can definitely still use lights to defend large and deep streams. The change only affects the normal non disordering "small" streams.

I keep confusing Large Stream and Deep Stream. Wouldn't it make sense to just call them Small Stream, Stream and Deep Stream?

MVP7 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:49 pm I keep confusing Large Stream and Deep Stream. Wouldn't it make sense to just call them Small Stream, Stream and Deep Stream?

Maybe, but really small streams would not even need to be shown on the map at all.

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:46 pm

MVP7 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:49 pm I keep confusing Large Stream and Deep Stream. Wouldn't it make sense to just call them Small Stream, Stream and Deep Stream?

Maybe, but really small streams would not even need to be shown on the map at all.

True. I'm not that familiar with the English waterbody terminology but would 'small river' make sense if the stream types were 'stream', 'large stream' and 'small river'?

MVP7 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:51 pm

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:46 pm

MVP7 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:49 pm I keep confusing Large Stream and Deep Stream. Wouldn't it make sense to just call them Small Stream, Stream and Deep Stream?

Maybe, but really small streams would not even need to be shown on the map at all.

True. I'm not that familiar with the English waterbody terminology but would 'small river' make sense if the stream types were 'stream', 'large stream' and 'small river'?

Maybe, but some people would find that confusing, so I am inclined to leave it as it is.