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So while waiting for 'swifter than... chariot bases lists, does anyone have an idea/can provide guidance on how many chariot BG's would be typical/allowed in a NKE and Hittite armies?

I ask as I have a reasonable number for DBM, but that equates to a couple of BG's, assuming the generals are chariots bases as well(so removing them from the available list) . I'm just looking to see if I need to think about getting some more wheelie guys to make these armies effective in FOG.

mellis1644 wrote:So while waiting for 'swifter than... chariot bases lists, does anyone have an idea/can provide guidance on how many chariot BG's would be typical/allowed in a NKE and Hittite armies?

Chariot bases permitted (excluding commanders):

NKE:

26 Egyptian chariots + 6 Canaanite or Syrian chariots. All LCh, Bow

Hittite Empire:

20 Hittite, Arzawan, Masan or Pitassan chariots - if you want to be "right on" these should be LCh Bow, but there are options for LCh Light Spear or (from 1275) HCh with Bow or Light Spear, 8 Other Anatolian or Gasgan chariots LCH Bow or Light Spear, 12 Syro-Canaanite chariots - LCh Bow, of which 4 can (from 1275) be upgraded to Ugaritic HCh.

All the HCh are now thought to be a misinterpretation of the evidence, and most Hittite chariots were probably bow armed. We have allowed the old interpretations as an option to accommodate existing armies and figure ranges, but we don't believe in them.

In the beta test days (so the list have evolved) I think you at most have 4 Bgs of 4 chariots in each plus generals.

Because they fight 1 deep and the LCH skirmish they can occupy a lot of board space.

Thanks for the fast reply...

Hmmm I may need some extra's to ensure I have enough 'hard hitters' BG's (interesting term for chariots) to support the masses of MF spear and bow troops which I assume the bulk of the foot will be.

So glad I read this!!!

My NKE has 18 chariots and would hate to have to BURN SOME

Looks like I need some MORE wheelies for my NKE. I thought that 12 + 6 was enough, obviously not...

timmy1 wrote:Looks like I need some MORE wheelies for my NKE. I thought that 12 + 6 was enough, obviously not...

Well that rather depends on what proportion of your AP you intend to spend on them,

ALL OF THEM! But I suppose the list writers will be spoil sports and insist I have to spend a proportion of my points on other stuff. Just as well that I have rebased my Bd (O) as Bd (F)...

By my calculations if you are willing to cut down a bit on commanders you could get 32 chariots on the field with an 800 point New Kingdom Egyptian army

As the chariots are 18 points for drilled and 17 for undrilled 30+ do take a lot of you points though

hammy wrote:By my calculations if you are willing to cut down a bit on commanders you could get 32 chariots on the field with an 800 point New Kingdom Egyptian army

As the chariots are 18 points for drilled and 17 for undrilled 30+ do take a lot of you points though

Mitanni can have 44 chariots, but you would need a 1,000 AP army to field them all.

Hmm.. My later Hebrews from DBM will need to be dusted off... I only have 12 Chariots.. So i best buy some more it seems... 20 stands of MF aux.. Need more of those too i am sure. Will my 8 stands of Philistine mercs still be usable i wonder? And a unit of 8 Gibborim? Bowmen.. ugh! More stuff to paint!

Mittani?

Excuse my ignorance, Is that some later incarnation of the Hittites?

Gotta get me one of them, I love Chariots.

Spartacus wrote:Mittani?

Excuse my ignorance, Is that some later incarnation of the Hittites?

No

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitanni

Thanks for the link. Very interesting.

Now why did I not think of doing a Wiki on it.

Don`t answer. I have had enough insults on here for one night

rbodleyscott wrote:

hammy wrote:By my calculations if you are willing to cut down a bit on commanders you could get 32 chariots on the field with an 800 point New Kingdom Egyptian army

As the chariots are 18 points for drilled and 17 for undrilled 30+ do take a lot of you points though

Mitanni can have 44 chariots, but you would need a 1,000 AP army to field them all.

All LCh Bow?

I am interested in the hittie heavies? were they supposedly carrying two passengers, one with bow, one with long spear?

stefoid wrote:

rbodleyscott wrote:

hammy wrote:By my calculations if you are willing to cut down a bit on commanders you could get 32 chariots on the field with an 800 point New Kingdom Egyptian army

As the chariots are 18 points for drilled and 17 for undrilled 30+ do take a lot of you points though

Mitanni can have 44 chariots, but you would need a 1,000 AP army to field them all.

All LCh Bow?

Yes

I am interested in the Hittite heavies? Were they supposedly carrying two passengers, one with bow, one with long spear?

Current thinking is that they did not exist, and that the depictions show 2 man chariots (driver and 1 fighting crewman) giving a chariot runner a lift.

The list still allows the heavies (as an alternative) for those who disagree with current thinking, but we personally are convinced by the more recent analysis.

rbodleyscott wrote:

stefoid wrote:

rbodleyscott wrote: Mitanni can have 44 chariots, but you would need a 1,000 AP army to field them all.

All LCh Bow?

Yes

I am interested in the Hittite heavies? Were they supposedly carrying two passengers, one with bow, one with long spear?

Current thinking is that they did not exist, and that the depictions show 2 man chariots (driver and 1 fighting crewman) giving a chariot runner a lift.

The list still allows the heavies (as an alternative) for those who disagree with current thinking, but we personally are convinced by the more recent analysis.

can yu point me in the online direction of this reserach?

cheers!

stefoid wrote:can yu point me in the online direction of this research?

It is by no means all available on line. Some was published in "Slingshot" a few years ago - the Slingshot archive is available from the Society of Ancients on DVD.

http://www.soa.org.uk/

However, there was some discussion on the ancmed yahoo group recently, some of which may be relevant.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ancmed/