Slitherine

MVP7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:30 pm FoG2 manual 14.2.1. 'Impact POA Table' and 14.2.2. 'Melee POA Table' describes effects of extra ranks at least. Not sure if the manual describes how the POA bonuses are removed/reduced with losses though. Cohesion test table in chapter 15.2. 'Cohesion Tests' lists the -1 penalty for 'Foot battle troops with threatened flank'. Don't think it's explained beyond that though. As far as I know, having unit behind an unit doesn't give any special bonuses but it prevent unit from falling back during melee.

TheGrayMouser wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:47 pmPike 4th rank depth”bonus” is covered in the POA charts. If you whittle away at the units man count, you will see the poa erode. So 10% casualties should in theory reduce the the 4th rank poa from 100 to 90.

The threatened flank is a unit that could be charged in the flank/rear by non light enemies at the time it needs to test.

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:23 pm

TheGrayMouser wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:47 pmPike 4th rank depth”bonus” is covered in the POA charts. If you whittle away at the units man count, you will see the poa erode. So 10% casualties should in theory reduce the the 4th rank poa from 100 to 90.

Actually, if they have lost 10% casualties overall, they will have lost 40% of the 4th rank bonus, so reducing it from 100 POA to 60 POA.

MVP7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:09 pm

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:23 pm

TheGrayMouser wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:47 pmPike 4th rank depth”bonus” is covered in the POA charts. If you whittle away at the units man count, you will see the poa erode. So 10% casualties should in theory reduce the the 4th rank poa from 100 to 90.

Actually, if they have lost 10% casualties overall, they will have lost 40% of the 4th rank bonus, so reducing it from 100 POA to 60 POA.

Is the 3rd rank POA bonus lost gradually or all at once when the 3rd rank is gone?

Kabill wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:22 pm Can't speak to all things, but I think your question about depth is specifically related to pikemen, who's PoA bonus is reduced if rear ranks are not at full strength (I guess reflecting that, unlike e.g. in a warband where the extra depth doesn't directly increasing fighting power because those in the rear ranks can't fight, in a pike unit rear ranks are actually directly fighting so losing them has a direct effect on combat power). I'm pretty sure that's listed in the manual though, under the bonuses for pikes.

I think there's some other things that are indicated in the manual but the details are not included, e.g. the manual implies that certain units fight worse in particular kinds of terrain, but doesn't indicate the exact difference it makes. If you have the advanced tooltips option on when playing, though, it will show all of these modifiers so you can see more clearly what's going on. So if you don't have the option checked, it might be worthwhile (this helped me learn the interactions between different keywords better, as I was always forgetting which counteract the other and whether modifiers apply in the impact phase or melee phase, etc.)

There are also some things that are in the manual, but it's easy to overlook them. E.g. (IIRC) over-strength units (like warbands) don't count as over-strength for the purposes of missile cohesion checks, so you don't need as much missile damage as it seems to force them to check. I've picked things like that up from reading here, though, rather than the manual.

MVP7 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:09 pm

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:23 pm

TheGrayMouser wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:47 pmPike 4th rank depth”bonus” is covered in the POA charts. If you whittle away at the units man count, you will see the poa erode. So 10% casualties should in theory reduce the the 4th rank poa from 100 to 90.

Actually, if they have lost 10% casualties overall, they will have lost 40% of the 4th rank bonus, so reducing it from 100 POA to 60 POA.

Is the 3rd rank POA bonus lost gradually or all at once when the 3rd rank is gone?

JayJayAwesome wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:14 pmActually the manual says that man count for shooting cohesion tests takes into account the first three ranks.
So a full warband is really more resilient to get into a shooting cohesion test as you need 10% of their full man count.
For a Phalanx though, you just have to count the three ranks and not the 4th.
Also in a next turn shooting, again a Phalanx will still have three full ranks to count for 10% while the warband will at least be weakened.
But for the Phalanx the gradual loss of it's deep pike POA due to the casualties inflicted from shooting is already a benefit for the shooting faction.