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Pre-Battle initiative

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:15 pm
by stenic
In a recent game my opponent had in his mind the thought that Initiative modifer was no longer applied for subsequent rolls if the net result of the first roll was a draw. It didn't say this in the rules but does just say 'roll again' if a draw so it could be inferred that indeed the modifier is not added.

We did work out that the idea may have come from BFE where Brits add +1 initialy and then do not for any rerolled draws.

Can any one confirm the situation please?

Thanks,

Steve P

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:50 pm
by WhiteKnight
yup I wasn't sure whether after a drawn modified dice roll for pbi, the new rolls are added to the existing modified rolls, hence negating the modifier or whether the dice roll modifier was applied again, giving two bites at the cherry, as it were!
I have played using the modifiers to the first dice roll only but my opponent today had always played the other. Reading the rulebook, I am still not sure but think he may have been right!

Martin

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:55 pm
by carlos
Why wouldn't the re-roll also have the modifier? It is still the initiative roll so the modifier should definitely apply.

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:32 pm
by stenic
Because it doesn't say re-roll and 'add the modifier'.

To my reading I agree with you, you have your modifier and add the roll to it, draws are re-rolled and hence you add the new roll to your still applicable modifier. But it would appear whiteknight's opponent and mine read it as add your modifier to the roll and draws are just re-rolled with no mention of adding the modifier.

Ahh.. the beauty of language :-)

Steve P

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:33 pm
by BrianC
carlos wrote:Why wouldn't the re-roll also have the modifier? It is still the initiative roll so the modifier should definitely apply.
I agree. I would simply re-roll using the existing modifiers. The rules don't say to exclude the modifiers so they should be used. I think the re-roll methodology is simply to alleviate the number of faces on a 6 sided dice. You will get draws more often than rolling say a percentile die.

Brian

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:19 pm
by shall
You do apply your modifier to the re-roll. The re-roll applies to re-rolling the stage not just the dice. But I agree not 110% clear.

Si