Slitherine

Hi there,
I need a clarification regarding a situation happened in a tournament.

The situation was the following one:


CCCC

AABBBB
AA

1 BG CCCC of my opponent charged my BG BBBBBB, obviously in the melee AA overlapped C.

If the positiom of A was different:

CCCC

AA
AABBBB

- A could overlapped C in the mele

AACCCC
AABBBB


- in my bound, A could turn of 90° and so charges on the flank C

AA
AACCCC
BBBB

If I’m not wrong there is a rule explaining that but I don’t remember relative page.
many thanks
Sergio

If A was in contact with C it cannot turn as C is in combat and A is providing an overlap. A can only move away or continue to overlap.

A BG can never turn and charge. (P53-1)

You can wheel in a charge but if you wheel to get a flank charge the charge only counts as a flank one if the BG that wheeled starts more than 1 MU from it's target. (P53-2 & P56 3rd bullet)

You can turn to fight the flank of an enemy BG but only if you are not already engaged as an overlap. (P76)

In none of the situations you describe would A be able to charge C in the flank

I suspect Sergio's English is confusing this. I was called over to look at it as umpire. If my memory
serves me correctly (after one million other umpiring questions ), the position was

__XXXX
AABBBB
AA


A was in front-corner to front-corner with X, which B was fighting frontally. A wanted to move forward
to side-to-side edge contact to take advantage of the 90° turn on side-edge contact. I said no (possibly incorrectly) as it was already
in an overlap position.

(If it was allowed, it's still 5 movement phases to gain any advantage, but it's not up to the umpire to reason why )

Many thanks for all the clarification (Peter you remeber right).

Considering page 75 (an overlap position is also when a full or partial side edge to side edge contact with an enemy base that is in front edge contact with friends), in the following situation BG A is in OVERLAP POSITION with BG C:

AACCCC AA
AABBBB AACCCC
BBBB ?


Considering pages 76-77 SIDE EDGE TO SIDE EDGE ONLY, if the BG A wasn't already in an overlap position:


CCCC
BBBB
AA
AA

and moved:


AACCCC
AABBBB

IN THE MELLE PHASE BG A could turn of 90° and so BG C fights in 2 directions?

If so I guess C not decrease cohesion level because there is no impact combact with BG A but has a -1 for fighting enemy in 2 directions.

many thanks
Sergio

I am fairly sure I read the diagrmas correctly (if you quote the message the spaces go back in the right places).

BG A can advance but if it is in a possition to fight as an overlap it cannot turn 90 onto the flank. See P76 "If they do not move away, no combat occurs unless they are eligible to fight as an overlap. If not, (my emphasis) they can engage in melee as follows:"

If you want BG A to attack the flank of BG C you have to move it forwards and away from contact, turn it and then charge. A drilled BG could move forwards and turn with a passed CMT but you would lose the overlap in your turn and in your opponents. As compensation you would be able to charge the flank in the next turn.

I suspect you are still thinking too much in DBM terms where flanks are everything.

IN THE MELLE PHASE BG A could turn of 90°

You can only turn in the manouver phase.

If you manouver to a postion alongside C, from which to turn, you cannot as you are in a position to overlap.

The only time you can contact a BG to flank by turning is if you are not providing overlap.

If it was like this

__AA
__AACCCC
_______BB
_______BB

Then perhaps you may. But I do not have my rule book with me, and it may be that C cannot be in melee when the turn is done..

many thanks to all of you.

On friday night I've tested the rules and it works.

Likely I don't think too much in DBM: I appreciate a lot FoG also because it's not easy (LIKE DBM ) to charge on the flanks

Sergio