Slitherine

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 6:15 am Are there still five levels of armor: unprotected, protected, some armor, armored, and fully armored?

Do they still apply only to Melee and not Impact?

They still affect Shooting PoA negatively, I assume: -50 to -200 depending on completeness of armour?

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 6:21 am

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 6:15 am Are there still five levels of armor: unprotected, protected, some armor, armored, and fully armored?

There are also "Lightly Protected" and "Well Armoured". But all of those descriptions are just words that apply to ranges of values. Armour rating is in fact on a continuous scale of 0-300, though not all of the intervening values are actually used.

In particular, units labelled "Some Armour" don't all have the same armour rating. You can see how much armour POA they can actually potentially get in melee by CTRL-L clicking on the unit. That will be the POA against Unprotected troops.

They still affect Shooting PoA negatively, I assume: -50 to -200 depending on completeness of armour?

Yes

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:17 am

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 6:21 am

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 6:15 am Are there still five levels of armor: unprotected, protected, some armor, armored, and fully armored?

There are also "Lightly Protected" and "Well Armoured". But all of those descriptions are just words that apply to ranges of values. Armour rating is in fact on a continuous scale of 0-300, though not all of the intervening values are actually used.

In particular, units labelled "Some Armour" don't all have the same armour rating. You can see how much armour POA they can actually potentially get in melee by CTRL-L clicking on the unit. That will be the POA against Unprotected troops.

They still affect Shooting PoA negatively, I assume: -50 to -200 depending on completeness of armour?

Yes

Richard: Is there then any chance to get a form of rough interval for each of the seven armo(u)r levels? Just for indication. Not binding legally, of course.

*Unprotected: A - B
*Lightly Protected: C - D
*Protected: E - F
*Some armor: G - H
*Armored: I - J
*Well armored: K - L
*Fully armored: M - N

// Get string describing unit type's level of protection
FUNCTION PrintArmourString(me)
{
	int armour;

	armour = GetAttrib(me, "BodyArmour");

	if (armour < 25)
		{
			PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_UNPROTECTED");
		}
	else
		{
			if (armour < 50)
				{
					PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_LIGHTLY_PROTECTED");
				}
			else
				{
					if (armour < 67)
						{
							PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_PROTECTED");
						}
					else
						{
							if (armour < 100)
								{
									PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_SOME_ARMOUR");
								}
							else
								{
									if (armour < 150)
										{
											PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_ARMOURED");
										}
									else
										{
											if (armour < 300)
												{
													PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_WELL_ARMOURED");
												}
											else
												{
													PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_FULLY_ARMOURED");
												}
										}
								}
						}
				}
		}

}

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:16 pm

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:17 am

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 6:21 am

There are also "Lightly Protected" and "Well Armoured". But all of those descriptions are just words that apply to ranges of values. Armour rating is in fact on a continuous scale of 0-300, though not all of the intervening values are actually used.

In particular, units labelled "Some Armour" don't all have the same armour rating. You can see how much armour POA they can actually potentially get in melee by CTRL-L clicking on the unit. That will be the POA against Unprotected troops.



Yes

Richard: Is there then any chance to get a form of rough interval for each of the seven armo(u)r levels? Just for indication. Not binding legally, of course.

*Unprotected: A - B
*Lightly Protected: C - D
*Protected: E - F
*Some armor: G - H
*Armored: I - J
*Well armored: K - L
*Fully armored: M - N

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// Get string describing unit type's level of protection
FUNCTION PrintArmourString(me)
{
	int armour;

	armour = GetAttrib(me, "BodyArmour");

	if (armour < 25)
		{
			PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_UNPROTECTED");
		}
	else
		{
			if (armour < 50)
				{
					PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_LIGHTLY_PROTECTED");
				}
			else
				{
					if (armour < 67)
						{
							PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_PROTECTED");
						}
					else
						{
							if (armour < 100)
								{
									PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_SOME_ARMOUR");
								}
							else
								{
									if (armour < 150)
										{
											PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_ARMOURED");
										}
									else
										{
											if (armour < 300)
												{
													PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_WELL_ARMOURED");
												}
											else
												{
													PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_FULLY_ARMOURED");
												}
										}
								}
						}
				}
		}

}

Paul59 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:19 pm It might be useful for you to know that although the armour value can be anything between 0 and 300, only a few actual armour values are currently used in the game: 0, 25, 50, 67, 75, 100, 150, and 300.

DanZanzibar wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:07 pm I assume that for MP games, where the point cost is a function of armour among other things that those amour descriptors become well defined terms... correct? Paul - you mention 8 values for the 7 descriptors. Is there one that has two possible values? Can you (or someone else) match these to their values?

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:29 pm

DanZanzibar wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:07 pm I assume that for MP games, where the point cost is a function of armour among other things that those amour descriptors become well defined terms... correct? Paul - you mention 8 values for the 7 descriptors. Is there one that has two possible values? Can you (or someone else) match these to their values?

EDIT: It seems that both 67 and 75 qualify as Some armor?

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:16 pm

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// Get string describing unit type's level of protection
FUNCTION PrintArmourString(me)
{
	int armour;

	armour = GetAttrib(me, "BodyArmour");

	if (armour < 25)
		{
			PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_UNPROTECTED");
		}
	else
		{
			if (armour < 50)
				{
					PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_LIGHTLY_PROTECTED");
				}
			else
				{
					if (armour < 67)
						{
							PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_PROTECTED");
						}
					else
						{
							if (armour < 100)
								{
									PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_SOME_ARMOUR");
								}
							else
								{
									if (armour < 150)
										{
											PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_ARMOURED");
										}
									else
										{
											if (armour < 300)
												{
													PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_WELL_ARMOURED");
												}
											else
												{
													PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_FULLY_ARMOURED");
												}
										}
								}
						}
				}
		}

}

Paul59 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:46 pm That is correct. The game uses the numerical value in it's combat calculations, so units with armour value 75 are slightly better protected than those with 67. The name of the armour value is only to give the player an idea of a unit's defensive capabilities.

Those 8 values are the ones currently used in the game, but as RBS stated the armour value range actually goes from 0 to 300, so there is nothing stopping him using another value at some later date for new units etc.

It's a similar story with the unit quality values, which range from 0 to 300, but in practice only a few values are actually used in the game. With the exception that in campaign games and Empires battles unit quality can differ from the usual assigned value.

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:11 pm

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:16 pm

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// Get string describing unit type's level of protection
FUNCTION PrintArmourString(me)
{
	int armour;

	armour = GetAttrib(me, "BodyArmour");

	if (armour < 25)
		{
			PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_UNPROTECTED");
		}
	else
		{
			if (armour < 50)
				{
					PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_LIGHTLY_PROTECTED");
				}
			else
				{
					if (armour < 67)
						{
							PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_PROTECTED");
						}
					else
						{
							if (armour < 100)
								{
									PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_SOME_ARMOUR");
								}
							else
								{
									if (armour < 150)
										{
											PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_ARMOURED");
										}
									else
										{
											if (armour < 300)
												{
													PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_WELL_ARMOURED");
												}
											else
												{
													PrintString("IDS_ARMOUR_CLASS_FULLY_ARMOURED");
												}
										}
								}
						}
				}
		}

}

In which file can I find this information?

Paul59 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:46 pm That is correct. The game uses the numerical value in it's combat calculations, so units with armour value 75 are slightly better protected than those with 67. The name of the armour value is only to give the player an idea of a unit's defensive capabilities.

Those 8 values are the ones currently used in the game, but as RBS stated the armour value range actually goes from 0 to 300, so there is nothing stopping him using another value at some later date for new units etc.

It's a similar story with the unit quality values, which range from 0 to 300, but in practice only a few values are actually used in the game. With the exception that in campaign games and Empires battles unit quality can differ from the usual assigned value.

Thanks for information, Paul! I've asked Richard in which file I can find this, and then can check whether it changes in new patches. I can also look in the unit Excel file to see how many different armour or quality values there actually are.