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According to Steam store page one of the new units in Immortal Fire is "armoured veteran hoplites (with Spartan variant)" but all factions that have the unit seem to be using the same Spartan looking model/texture with the lambda symbol on their shields. Is there really two variants of the unit or is everyone using the spartan texture on purpose?

MVP7 wrote:According to Steam store page one of the new units in Immortal Fire is "armoured veteran hoplites (with Spartan variant)" but all factions that have the unit seem to be using the same Spartan looking model/texture with the lambda symbol on their shields. Is there really two variants of the unit or is everyone using the spartan texture on purpose?

There are four different shield designs for the Armoured Citizen Hoplites: Spartan (default, texture1, and texture2), Messene (texture3), an Omega symbol (I don't know what city that represents, texture4) and Mantineia (texture5). You can verify this yourself, by going into the editor, placing a Armoured Veteran Hoplite unit on the map, and selecting the different textures for it.

I won't confuse you by describing in detail how the game selects which texture to use, but basically the situation is this:

If you are commanding a Spartan army, you will get the Spartan shields.

If you are commanding a non Spartan Hoplite army, against Spartans or Romans, you will get the other shield designs for your army, and the Spartans or Romans will use Spartan shields.

If you are commanding a non Spartan Hoplite army, against any one else, you will get the Spartan shields for your army, and if the opposing army have Hoplites they will get the non Spartan shields.


If you use my TT Mod, I have organised things differently, so that only the Spartans use the lambda shields, the Thebans use their club symbol, Roman Hoplites use their own designs, and all other Hoplites use a mixture of Greek shields.

Ok. I'm just wondering if the non-spartan Armoured Veteran Hoplites are using the correct unit texture since the steam page does claim that there is a "Spartan variant" but there seems to be only one variant of the unit in the game.

MVP7 wrote:Ok. I'm just wondering if the non-spartan Armoured Veteran Hoplites are using the correct unit texture since the steam page does claim that there is a "Spartan variant" but there seems to be only one variant of the unit in the game.

I obviously did not explain myself clearly in my previous post! Let's try again:

There is only one Armoured Veteran Hoplite unit, but there are several different textures for it. Some of the textures are Spartan and the others are non Spartan. The game will use the different textures in the circumstances that I have described above.

If you want to see the non Spartan shields in game, just create a large custom battle between a Greek 550 - 461 BC army and a Spartan 550 - 461 BC army.

Here's a screenshot from one, showing the Greek Armoured Veteran Hoplites with a non Spartan shield emblem:



The texture selection system that the game uses is not perfect though, and in some circumstances you will get Spartan shield designs on non Spartan units, I described these situations in my first post.

Yeah. I get it that there's only one Armoured Veteran Hoplite unit in the game and that's the issue. The Steam store page for Immortal Fire says one of the new unit types is "armoured veteran hoplites (with Spartan variant)", which would seem to indicate that there is both a generic Armored Veteran Hoplite and a a different Spartan variant of that unit. Maybe that sentence just means that one of the shields has the lambda on it but I made this thread in case there is actually supposed to be a difference between the Spartan and the generic unit and the generic Units are just using the wrong set of assets.

On an unrelated note. Why are Roman Armored Veteran Hoplites using Spartan shields by default (without mods)? Is there some historical reason for it?

MVP7 wrote:On an unrelated note. Why are Roman Armored Veteran Hoplites using Spartan shields by default (without mods)? Is there some historical reason for it?

Every unit in the game has two sets of textures, side 0 and side 1. Each set may contain one or more variants. Romans and Spartans always use the side 0 texture set (unless it is a civil war) - so if Romans or Spartans are side 1, the texture sets are reversed and the Romans or Spartans use side 0 textures and their opponents use side 1 textures.

This means that Spartans will use the Spartan shield variants on their Superior Armoured Hoplites, whether they are side 0 or side 1, but also so will the Romans.

We will look into separating the Superior Hoplites into separate Spartan and non-Spartan versions to remove this issue. These would be identical apart from the textures used.

Thanks for the response! I was really just making sure there isn't some unused model/texture lying around.