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Moving generals during JAP
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:39 pm
by zaknafir
Hello,
What player moves first te generals during de Join Action Phase? (the active player?, it's irrelevant?,...)
Thanks
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:33 pm
by WhiteKnight
Nomally I think its irrelevant but in cases where it might not be, the active player chooses who moves first!
Martin
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:51 pm
by CrazyHarborc
I agree....the moving player decides. THAT said....it "might" be wise to move the general first. Measure around to check his control zone. Then do the others.
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:05 am
by philqw78
active player moves first
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:05 pm
by zaknafir
WhiteKnight wrote:Nomally I think its irrelevant (...)
CrazyHarborc wrote:....the moving player decides(...)
philqw78t wrote:active player moves first
emmm
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:33 pm
by philqw78
The order rarely matters, but the active player moves his troops first...........................
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:57 pm
by zaknafir
philqw78 wrote:The order rarely matters, but the active player moves his troops first...........................
......, or decides the sequence of events, should either side feel this necesary.
I don't understand thath phrase ... the active player moves first or the active decides who moves first?
thanks
p.s.: I think that there are a a lot of situations that the orden of movements of generals is irrelevant but there are others that is very important who moves first (i.ex: posibles charges during next phase)
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:49 pm
by philqw78
Moves-
Break Offs
Commanders
Routers and Pursuers
Events- some of these may cause more movement
Remove Scythe Chariots
CMT to stop looting or pursuing
Bolstering
Roll to inflict commander loss and the CT's this may cause then any CT from any rout caused. Move the rout.
Remove autobroken or reduced to 1 base and any CT's this may cause, any CT from any resulting rout, move those routs
The active player always moves first, except for pursuers, but decides the order of CT's and other events. e.g. If the inactive player wishes to test not to pursue it may make a difference to the active players actions.
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:43 pm
by zaknafir
philqw78 wrote:Moves-
Break Offs
Commanders
Routers and Pursuers
Events- some of these may cause more movement
Remove Scythe Chariots
CMT to stop looting or pursuing
Bolstering
Roll to inflict commander loss and the CT's this may cause then any CT from any rout caused. Move the rout.
Remove autobroken or reduced to 1 base and any CT's this may cause, any CT from any resulting rout, move those routs
The active player always moves first, except for pursuers, but decides the order of CT's and other events. e.g. If the inactive player wishes to test not to pursue it may make a difference to the active players actions.
thanks!
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:23 pm
by jfnavarro
I think this is a definitive opinion:
viewtopic.php?t=6043&highlight=sequence+events
Authors response.......
The sequence of events in the rules is sacrasanct as per the table on page 168
In the event that anyone feels it matters - and I too have never yet come across on in 150+ games - then the active player chooses the sequence in that line in the JAP. So if there is an issue where 2 break off may collide for instance the active player chooses the sequence of break offs and may therefore influence which one is now in charge reach of opposing foot.
So I am sure it will happen at some point to me but I haven't had it yet.
BUT it never overrides page 168 - it is only for if there is anything within one item e.g. Move Commanders. So you can't choose to do break offs last for example...
Si
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:19 pm
by philqw78
But that is only an opinion and what only one of the three authors thought. Its not what the rules say.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:03 pm
by jfnavarro
But that is only an opinion and what only one of the three authors thought.
I read "authors response".
Its not what the rules say.
We are talking about this topic because the rules are not clear about it!
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:45 pm
by terrys
I'll have a stab at this.......
The rules for the joint action phase states:
The final phase is a common phase in which various outcome moves are actioned. In addition, both sides’ commanders get a chance to move to new positions and attempt to bolster or rally unsteady troops.
The order rarely matters, but the active player moves his troops first, or decides the sequence of events, should either side feel this is necessary..
Taking the last sentence - I would say that the active player will normally move first, but may - at his choice - ask his opponent to move first.
As people have already pointed out - it's rarely of importance, but their are instances when it may be.
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:52 pm
by zaknafir
terrys wrote:
As people have already pointed out - it's rarely of importance, but their are instances when it may be.
In some situations it hasn't importance, but in others I think it has a lot.