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Campaigns and Demographics

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:37 pm
by Cheimison
I was reading my Cambridge History of Greek and Roman Warfare and came across a section that has interesting implications for the cost of troops while playing a campaign, as well as AI strategy - though this is probably more appropriate for an operational or grand strategy game than one that is mostly set-piece battles.
Quotations from Chapter 11-A by Nicholas Sekunda
The systems implemented by the various Hellenistic kingdoms to create pools of settler-citizen-soldiers were limited by the extent of crown land available for alienation. New land ceased to become available through conquest, and it became increasingly difficult to expand the system beyond its existing territorial and numerical limits.
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The only other path open to the Hellenistic monarchs was to recruit troops from among their native populations. The Seleucid army at Magnesia was truly multi-national. We have no evidence, however, that the Seleucids ever admitted orientals into the phalanx: they fought in other units. The Ptolemies made use of Egyptian troops from the beginning, and prior to the battle of Raphia they were trained as phalangites. Increasing use was made of native troops throughout the second and first centuries. This was an experiment with dangerous consequences. According to Polybius (5.107.1–3), the victory at Raphia was immediately followed by the first of a series of Egyptian revolts, which he attributes directly to the arming of the Egyptians for the battle.
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In contrast, the population base of Rome continued to expand. By 264, the ager romanus had quintupled to 26,805 sq. km, supporting a population of around 900,000. Polybius estimated that in 225 the total number of Romans and allies able to bear arms was 700,000 foot and 70,000 horse. De Sanctis, followed by Brunt, has calculated that at the period of her maximum effort during the Second Punic War in 212 the Romans were able to field around 80,000 citizens in twenty-five legions. Statistics gathered by Afzelius (with Brunt’s corrections) demonstrate that, from 200 down to 168, Rome rarely had a force of less than 100,000 men mobilized, and normally fielded eight legions. Where statistics are known over the same period, there were over 6,500 Italian allies per legion. The allies generally furnished separate contingents as well as units serving with the legions.
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The disparity between the manpower reserves available to Rome and to any Hellenistic monarch had profound influence on the way in which the opponents made war. Roman commanders could risk defeat in battle since a second army could always be levied in place of the first. The total size and relative dynamism of the manpower reserve of the heavy infantry main force was particularly important, for this element suffered disproportionately heavy casualties in defeat. In major campaigns the Hellenistic monarchs mobilized a large proportion of their ‘citizen’ manpower pool to field as
large a phalanx as possible, the phalanx now being the principal force on the battlefield. If a major defeat was suffered, the manpower base was crippled for a whole generation. Hence, the pitched battle was an all-or-nothing affair, and this could sometimes induce an air of over-caution in command.

Re: Campaigns and Demographics

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:25 am
by 76mm
interesting, thanks for the post.

Re: Campaigns and Demographics

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:41 am
by rbodleyscott
Polybios highlights the disparity in manpower reserves between the Romans and Carthaginians in his introduction to his history of the 2nd Punic War.

Re: Campaigns and Demographics

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:49 am
by Cumandante
Cheimison wrote:Roman commanders could risk defeat in battle since a second army could always be levied in place of the first. The total size and relative dynamism of the manpower reserve of the heavy infantry main force was particularly important, for this element suffered disproportionately heavy casualties in defeat. In major campaigns the Hellenistic monarchs mobilized a large proportion of their ‘citizen’ manpower pool to field as large a phalanx as possible, the phalanx now being the principal force on the battlefield. If a major defeat was suffered, the manpower base was crippled for a whole generation.
I don't get it. The Romans levied heavy infantry from their citizen populations as well. What is the difference between the two? Did the Romans win because they had more babies?

Re: Campaigns and Demographics

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:54 am
by Cheimison
Cumandante wrote:
Cheimison wrote:Roman commanders could risk defeat in battle since a second army could always be levied in place of the first. The total size and relative dynamism of the manpower reserve of the heavy infantry main force was particularly important, for this element suffered disproportionately heavy casualties in defeat. In major campaigns the Hellenistic monarchs mobilized a large proportion of their ‘citizen’ manpower pool to field as large a phalanx as possible, the phalanx now being the principal force on the battlefield. If a major defeat was suffered, the manpower base was crippled for a whole generation.
I don't get it. The Romans levied heavy infantry from their citizen populations as well. What is the difference between the two? Did the Romans win because they had more babies?
No, because Hellene kingdoms couldn't trust natives as phalangites, whereas the Romans had a huge population of several hundred thousand reliable men to draw from - largely Italics.
A lot of it has to do with culture - Italic people are much less alien from Romans than the Egyptians and Persians are from Greeks. It's well known that the less like your ruling caste and military the natives are, the more likely they are to revolt. Also, whereas Greeks and Italians had a native culture if medium-heavy infantry fighting in quasi-hoplite formation (which the Romans and Phalanx are both variants of) the Asians never had such infantry. The heavy infantry of the Persianids was heavily armed and only moderately armored.
Also, specifically as regards heavy infantry, the Seleceuds were neither willing nor able to transform Persianid and Semitic populations into phalanx. That means they had a huge disadvantage in heavy infantry, whereas the Romans were able to induct practically all Italic tribes into heavy infantry.
Universalism is a great idea for an empire, except nobody actually believes it, least of all the Universalists.

Re: Campaigns and Demographics

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:04 am
by Cumandante
Cheimison wrote:No, because Hellene kingdoms couldn't trust natives as phalangites, whereas the Romans had a huge population of several hundred thousand reliable men to draw from - largely Italics.
A lot of it has to do with culture - Italic people are much less alien from Romans than the Egyptians and Persians are from Greeks. It's well known that the less like your ruling caste and military the natives are, the more likely they are to revolt. Also, whereas Greeks and Italians had a native culture if medium-heavy infantry fighting in quasi-hoplite formation (which the Romans and Phalanx are both variants of) the Asians never had such infantry. The heavy infantry of the Persianids was heavily armed and only moderately armored.
Also, specifically as regards heavy infantry, the Seleceuds were neither willing nor able to transform Persianid and Semitic populations into phalanx. That means they had a huge disadvantage in heavy infantry, whereas the Romans were able to induct practically all Italic tribes into heavy infantry.
Universalism is a great idea for an empire, except nobody actually believes it, least of all the Universalists.
Ok, now I get it. The Italics were more reliable and more familiar with the fighting style. That explains why the Seleucids and Ptolemies were at a disadvantage. But why did the Macedonians fail against the Romans?

Re: Campaigns and Demographics

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:06 am
by Cheimison
Cumandante wrote:
Cheimison wrote:No, because Hellene kingdoms couldn't trust natives as phalangites, whereas the Romans had a huge population of several hundred thousand reliable men to draw from - largely Italics.
A lot of it has to do with culture - Italic people are much less alien from Romans than the Egyptians and Persians are from Greeks. It's well known that the less like your ruling caste and military the natives are, the more likely they are to revolt. Also, whereas Greeks and Italians had a native culture if medium-heavy infantry fighting in quasi-hoplite formation (which the Romans and Phalanx are both variants of) the Asians never had such infantry. The heavy infantry of the Persianids was heavily armed and only moderately armored.
Also, specifically as regards heavy infantry, the Seleceuds were neither willing nor able to transform Persianid and Semitic populations into phalanx. That means they had a huge disadvantage in heavy infantry, whereas the Romans were able to induct practically all Italic tribes into heavy infantry.
Universalism is a great idea for an empire, except nobody actually believes it, least of all the Universalists.
Ok, now I get it. The Italics were more reliable and more familiar with the fighting style. That explains why the Seleucids and Ptolemies were at a disadvantage. But why did the Macedonians fail against the Romans?
Macedon is a tiny, underpopulated region compared to all of central and southern Italy. Alexander's wars and colonies had depopulated it even more. Demographics isn't everything, though. Romans were just damn good at exploiting phalangite and hoplite weaknesses.