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troops caught unawares adn unable to evade had they known?

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:24 am
by expendablecinc
The way I understand it the sequence is:

1 declare charges and hcarge path
2 declare evades or intercept moves
3 make intercept moves and evade moves (including the VM roll)
4 make the charge (including the VM roll)

qn 1
If a BG of enemy skirmishers is outside your normal charge range can they elect to evade? eg a BG of LF 6 inches away frm cavalry who are chargin at a closer BG of LF but are aimed at both. If the VM roll is high enough the Cav may make contact with the farthest BG of LF if the closer one evades. In fact depending on the situation a step forward may resutl in a contact as well.

qn2
Can those within the normal charge range and path of the declared charge while others intercept?

qn 3
Can multiple groups intercept?

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:50 pm
by dave_r
If a BG of enemy skirmishers is outside your normal charge range can they elect to evade?
Yes. Do the initial evade move of the 1st BG and then make the Cavalry VMD roll. If the cavalry now contact the 2nd BG of skirmishers then they can elect to evade (unless they have already made an evade move in the current phase)
Can those within the normal charge range and path of the declared charge while others intercept?
I presume there is a missing "evade" word in the middle? i.e.

Can those within the normal charge range and path of the declared charge evade while others intercept?

If so then it depends - remember if you wish to intercept then you must make this intercept move first and you can't make any formation changes nor interpenetrations to make this intercept move. Also - if you intercept then it is highly likely that the original target will not be contacted by the charge so will not need to evade. However if it is contacted then yes, it may evade.
Can multiple groups intercept?
Yes

Re: troops caught unawares adn unable to evade had they know

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:52 pm
by babyshark
expendablecinc wrote:The way I understand it the sequence is:

1 declare charges and hcarge path
2 declare evades or intercept moves
3 make intercept moves and evade moves (including the VM roll)
4 make the charge (including the VM roll)

qn 1
If a BG of enemy skirmishers is outside your normal charge range can they elect to evade? eg a BG of LF 6 inches away frm cavalry who are chargin at a closer BG of LF but are aimed at both. If the VM roll is high enough the Cav may make contact with the farthest BG of LF if the closer one evades. In fact depending on the situation a step forward may resutl in a contact as well.
The skirmishers outside normal charge range may not evade until and unless the charger's VMD carries the chargers into them. Once it becomes clear that the skirmishers will be hit by the charge they must decide whether to stand or evade. Prior to that point it is not an issue.
expendablecinc wrote:qn2
Can those within the normal charge range and path of the declared charge while others intercept?
Not sure I follow this question. If I do follow it, though . . . . BGs that are targets of a charge may not intercept, even if they would intercept a BG that is charging a target other than them. Was that on point?
expendablecinc wrote:qn 3
Can multiple groups intercept?
Yes, assuming that each intercepting BG meets all the requirements for an intercept.

Marc

Re: troops caught unawares adn unable to evade had they know

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:54 pm
by sagji
expendablecinc wrote:The way I understand it the sequence is:

1 declare charges and hcarge path
2 declare evades or intercept moves
3 make intercept moves and evade moves (including the VM roll)
4 make the charge (including the VM roll)

qn 1
If a BG of enemy skirmishers is outside your normal charge range can they elect to evade? eg a BG of LF 6 inches away frm cavalry who are chargin at a closer BG of LF but are aimed at both. If the VM roll is high enough the Cav may make contact with the farthest BG of LF if the closer one evades. In fact depending on the situation a step forward may resutl in a contact as well.
Sort of. A BG can only evade if it is the target of a charge [which includes being contacted by stepping forward], but it may become a target of the charge as a result of another BG evading - you never get the situation where a BG is contacted without the opportunity to evade. In your example if the second LF are within the normal charge distance of the cav then they get to evade before the cav make their VM and if they stand the cav don't get a variable move. IF outside the normal charge distance they get to evade when the VM is rolled.
qn2
Can those within the normal charge range and path of the declared charge while others intercept?
Yes - I assume there is a missing evade after declared charge.
qn 3
Can multiple groups intercept?
Yes

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:57 pm
by babyshark
Woohoo! We are on fire today!

Marc

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:19 pm
by dave_r
Woohoo! We are on fire today!
I presume you mean three responses within four minutes. Perhaps more surprising is that all three responses stated exactly the same thing!
you never get the situation where a BG is contacted without the opportunity to evade
Yes you can. If you charge a BG who evades, hit another BG and then break them in the impact phase when you do your pursuit move the BG that originally evaded does not get a further chance to evade.

This normally happens when you have multiple skirmisher evades, one of which doesn't quite get far enough....

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:15 pm
by sagji
you never get the situation where a BG is contacted without the opportunity to evade
Yes you can. If you charge a BG who evades, hit another BG and then break them in the impact phase when you do your pursuit move the BG that originally evaded does not get a further chance to evade.

This normally happens when you have multiple skirmisher evades, one of which doesn't quite get far enough....
Except it did get the opportunity to evade - its problem is it doesn't get a second change to evade in the same turn.