Slitherine

pg. 67...If the evading battle group meets a side edge or opponents rear edge, it can choose to turn 90 degrees and wheel to move parallel to the table edge. Can it not just wheel to be parallel to the table edge or must it always turn 90 degrees first?

Imagine that a charge square on to the evaders so that its charge direction and the evaders rear are the same thing. Also imagine that the evaders are near the side edge with only a small angle between them, i.e. they are nearly, but not quite parallel to it. It would seem that a small wheel would be simpler and quicker in bringing them parallel. Turning 90 degrees will put them almost perpendicular to the table edge.

Cheers,

Steve

I suspect we meant turn up to 90 degrees really but we'll confer and clarify

Si

As Simon implies, the 90 degree turn is intended to be optional - essentially to be used when a wheel without a turn would take the BG off the table (even with a half base width shift). The BG can just wheel.

Yes I wasn't to clear there...

Effectively what you are doing is changing direction to run downt he table edge. You can do this by a wheel or bya turn and wheel - one or t'other is easier...

Si

Great Hopefully this can make it into the FAQ (because as I understand it, you would not otherwise be able to wheel in this evade unless you turned 90).

Steve

shall wrote:Yes I wasn't to clear there...

Effectively what you are doing is changing direction to run downt he table edge. You can do this by a wheel or bya turn and wheel - one or t'other is easier...

Si

We had a table edge evade come up last night but this does not appear to answer it.

Imagine a LF BG, 3 wide 2 deep, perpendicular to the side edge and said BGs side edge right up against the edge of the board. The LF are also facing their own rear table edge.

Offset behind them is an enemy BG at 45deg to their own long table edge, and facing the rear corner of the LF above. They enemy BG charges the LF, who being charged in the rear must evade in the direction of the charge.

How does it work ? Do the LF wheel to be parallel to the chargers and then evade forwards ? But then the moment the wheeled formation moves forward a corner goes over the edge and the BG is lost ? Or can they then wheel again to face back to their own rear table edge - but this too brings a corner over the side edge ? Or can they contract on one side, then wheel back to their own rear table edge and thus avoid any troops partly leaving the table ?

Thanks

Steve

stenic wrote:How does it work ? Do the LF wheel to be parallel to the chargers and then evade forwards ? But then the moment the wheeled formation moves forward a corner goes over the edge and the BG is lost ? Or can they then wheel again to face back to their own rear table edge - but this too brings a corner over the side edge ? Or can they contract on one side, then wheel back to their own rear table edge and thus avoid any troops partly leaving the table ?

When they reach the table edge they can turn 90 degrees then wheel again till parallel to the table edge.

All this wheeling, of course, is deducted from their move, increasing their chance of being caught.

rbodleyscott wrote:

stenic wrote:How does it work ? Do the LF wheel to be parallel to the chargers and then evade forwards ? But then the moment the wheeled formation moves forward a corner goes over the edge and the BG is lost ? Or can they then wheel again to face back to their own rear table edge - but this too brings a corner over the side edge ? Or can they contract on one side, then wheel back to their own rear table edge and thus avoid any troops partly leaving the table ?

When they reach the table edge they can turn 90 degrees then wheel again till parallel to the table edge.

All this wheeling, of course, is deducted from their move, increasing their chance of being caught.

Ah, I think I get it. So inthe end, they end up as a column heading back towards their rear table edge parallel to the side edge. They'd turn 90deg. as a proper turn when they do it, we were confusing wheeling and turning I think. Doh!

Thanks Richard.

Steve

stenic wrote:Imagine a LF BG, 3 wide 2 deep, perpendicular to the side edge and said BGs side edge right up against the edge of the board. The LF are also facing their own rear table edge.

Offset behind them is an enemy BG at 45deg to their own long table edge, and facing the rear corner of the LF above. They enemy BG charges the LF, who being charged in the rear must evade in the direction of the charge.

Since the LF are already in side edge contact with the table edge and pointing the way they need to go (so no 180 turn is needed), don't they just move directly forward their VMD from where they start?

That seems the easy case. However, if they are, say, 1 MU away from the table edge, then since charged from flank or rear they must wheel to face the direction of the charge, then move the somewhat more than 1 MU distance to contact the table edge. Then, if they have movement left, they can wheel and then shift sideways up to a base (I assume it's measured that way, wheel measured first, then the sideways adjustment necessary to get the troops all on table) to get in side edge contact with the table edge. Then they continue moving. This seems clear.

<EDIT: Remainder of my post deleted: My error was that when troops that can't do the wheel instead turn, they then wheel (in a 1-wide column in this case) to parallel the side edge and continue moving toward the rear edge. They sort of bounce off the side edge and then continue to the rear rather than sliding along the edge. >

This is all getting too complicated and too stuck on particular cases.

The rules say what they can do.

If they can do it without any part going off the table they can escape, if not they go off the table.

Voila.