Slitherine

hi dear members,

i'm new in this forum and i hope that someone is able to help me.

the campaign-trees of the dlc,are very clear and good readable.

but the campaign-tree of the main-campaing is a desaster for me. without any explanation there are only marks in colours which do not make sence for me for my further play.

the first choise that was possible was to go to moscow or kiew. this i have understand. but now i have a great problem.

i thougt, i understand the tree but obviously i don't. i played moskow and went forward to stalingrad. and now my problem starts:
there are there colours: white, green and red.

do i have the tree read in the way, that i must follow white - white - white till the end ( similar the other colours)

what about the other campaigns (allied and afrika). they do not have colours and they are much more complicated.

i hope someone can send me a link or a grahic

i would appreciate it

faceless
what difference makes a decisive, normal win or loss at stalingrad?

i lost several hours, because i thought, there would be a different forthcoming in the further campaign. but all three starts at kursk.
but at decisive win i have only 7xxx credits, at normal 8xxx and at loss 95xx credits. so i got a bonus for loosing? the upgrading at only one panzer vi costs more than 600 credits. so ????

sorry my english is bad. i now come to my mainquestion:

does there a map existists similar to the graphics of the gc or a textfile exacter then the colourthings?

so by studiing now intensivly i guess i have already misst the greece-map because i didnt recognize that the white colour way splits in so many ways at an early stage.

and does a map exists which shows me, how i must play a scenario so that i can play most of the scenarios?

i guess im struggling. most important to me is that i can play

Hello and welcome to the forum!

A member made a graphical tree for the main campaign here: viewtopic.php?f=121&t=54828#p511195


The Afrika campaign tree is very simple: viewtopic.php?f=121&t=36471#p342925

As you can see, there is a big split in two paths after Alam Halfa. If you win Alam Halfa, you go further East and fight ahistorical scenarios in the Middle East and further. If you lose at Alam Halfa, you go to El Alamein and play historical scenarios which end in Tunisia.

There are a few additional (optional) scenarios that can be played by getting Decisive Victories in Gazala (choice to go to Malta and back to the campaign afterwards) and later on Persia (lets you play Caucasus scenario before going back to the campaign).



Allied campaign: viewtopic.php?f=125&t=42475#p400569

This is a bit more complex because there are several entry points. So when you start with the USA in the middle of the war, then your campaign starts at Torch and you play Kasserine next. After that, the USA and UK campaign trees converge in Tunisia, and from there on their campaigns are the same, until Market Garden:

The campaign has a big split after Market Garden, you can choose to go to Battle of the Bulge (Ardennes scenario, historical) or V-Rocket sites, which is an ahistorical campaign which allows you to even fight the Soviets if you manage a Decisive Victory (called a Triumph in Allied Corps) in Berlin West.

I think that what you need are the Campaign trees.

When you start the game, open the Library. There will be a list of campaigns near the top on the left. These show diagrams of the different campaign paths including the point where they split and where they rejoin, and also when a loss finishes you off.

These show when you have a choice (so you can save a game just before the choice if you want to follow both routes). There are some bonus scenarios Malta in Afrika Korps, Poltava in 44 East, the skirmish with the Russians 39 East. You usually need a DV to have a choice of doing these, and they provide a chance to get bonus equipment (eg with special heroes or already experienced). This means you can see when you need a DV or whether an MV will do.

thx for your quick answers.

the graphic of the member here in the forum is a little bit confusing but much better than the original in the compendium of the game. so now i see my problem clearer - but it makes me not really happy :=)

thats my way through the campainge so far:

poland (d) - norway (d) - low countries (d) - france* (d) - sea lion 40 (d) - and now my problem -

as i see now i would be better to make a m in stead of a d-win because otherwise i'm not able to play many scenarios.

the way for me now is: barbarossa - kiew or moskow - stalingrad - kursk - moscow 43 - ... germany

to play as much scenarios as possilbe in one rush it would have been cleverer to go back to a savegame from "sealion 40 loss - greece - barbarossa - after barbarossa i can split to moskow or kiew - than stalingrad - than split in several ways so that i have to take a look at the graphic which kind of win leeds to one of the other of the yellow marked scenarios. i this correct? the yellow-way is the best one .))) please confirm

1 last question. is there a difference between the scenario germany - germany east - and germany west? at first sight it seems that there is no way to play all of the three scennarios by following one colour.

2. i figured out that red lines are loss, black lines master and green desisive wins. but what are the blue(?) arrows that points from f.e. overlord or ardennes to lake ballaton? what do i have to do to go there?

so if i see it clear it is never possible to play the whole campaign with the same core-army because i must split in several ways at maps and must some map play multiple with different endings so that i can see all of the maps.

hmm maybe i have a colour-recognishing-problem. can it be that the arrow from moscow 43, bagraton and ardennes is green and means a desisive win???

faceless1963 wrote:thx for your quick answers.

the graphic of the member here in the forum is a little bit confusing but much better than the original in the compendium of the game. so now i see my problem clearer - but it makes me not really happy :=)

I can imagine, reading your reply, that it seems you assumed that there was a way to play all the scenarios during a single campaign; but this is not possible. You can only go to the USA if you defeat the UK and the SU. So basically, you have to choose your path carefully if you want to end up at a specific scenario. for example, if you defeat the SU quickly (with Rush to Moscow), you cannot play any of the later Soviet scenarios. And if you want to 'win' the campaign you need to defeat the USA, which means skipping a lot of late-war scenarios.

thats my way through the campainge so far:

poland (d) - norway (d) - low countries (d) - france* (d) - sea lion 40 (d) - and now my problem -

as i see now i would be better to make a m in stead of a d-win because otherwise i'm not able to play many scenarios.

the way for me now is: barbarossa - kiew or moskow - stalingrad - kursk - moscow 43 - ... germany

If you have a d (or 'DV'= Decisive Victory) at Sealion 40 and you want to continue and end up playing in Germany East, you can play 14 scenarios:

Poland (DV)
Norway (DV, MV or Loss)
Low Countries (DV)
France* (DV)
Sealion40 (DV)
(Green path)
Barbarossa (DV or MV)
Kiev (DV or MV)
Moscow41 (MV or Loss)
Stalingrad (DV, MV or Loss)
Kursk (DV)
Moscow43 (Loss) (here you can have a DV and continue into the USA, which will have three more scenarios, making a total of 14 as well)
Bagration (MV)
Lake Balaton (MV or Loss)
Germany East

to play as much scenarios as possilbe in one rush it would have been cleverer to go back to a savegame from "sealion 40 loss - greece - barbarossa - after barbarossa i can split to moskow or kiew - than stalingrad - than split in several ways so that i have to take a look at the graphic which kind of win leeds to one of the other of the yellow marked scenarios. i this correct? the yellow-way is the best one .))) please confirm

Confirmed! If you follow yellow you can play 15 scenarios.

Poland (DV)
Norway (DV, MV or Loss)
Low Countries (DV)
France* (DV)
Sealion40 (Loss)
Greece
(Yellow path)
Barbarossa (DV or MV)
Kiev (DV or MV)
Moscow41 (MV or Loss)
Stalingrad
(From then on you can go several ways, depends on DV or MV/Loss in Stalingrad)
For example, you can go:
Italy (Loss)
Gustav (DV, MV or Loss)
Overlord (MV)
Ardennes (MV or Loss)
Germany

Instead of Italy, you can do Kursk, and then go to Gustav, or alternatively do Moscow43 and choose the path to either Germany or Germany West (red).

1 last question. is there a difference between the scenario germany - germany east - and germany west? at first sight it seems that there is no way to play all of the three scennarios by following one colour.

Yes, there is a big difference. 'Germany' is the historical version where you have to defend against the Soviet Union and the Western Allies. 'Germany East' only has the Soviets, because you have defeated the Western Allies earlier. And 'Germany West' has you fighting only the Western Allied, because here you will have defeated the Soviets already.

2. i figured out that red lines are loss, black lines master and green desisive wins. but what are the blue(?) arrows that points from f.e. overlord or ardennes to lake ballaton? what do i have to do to go there?

I think blue means that the outcome is irrelevant, and you will always go to the next scenario.
green: Decisive Victory (DV or d)
black: Marginal Victory (MV or m) or sometimes the path for both DV and MV.
red: Loss (l)

hmm maybe i have a colour-recognishing-problem. can it be that the arrow from moscow 43, bagraton and ardennes is green and means a desisive win???

Ardennes to Lake Balaton is a green arrow, and both Moscow43 to Bagration arrows are red.

If you have trouble distinguishing red and green, you may have selective red-green colour blindness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blin ... _blindness. You can try online test if you are curious: http://www.color-blindness.com/color-blindness-tests/

so if i see it clear it is never possible to play the whole campaign with the same core-army because i must split in several ways at maps and must some map play multiple with different endings so that i can see all of the maps.

Yes, you are right. You can try several paths, but you can never play all the scenarios in a single campaign. This is because some scenarios are only possible when the Soviets or Western Allies have been defeated. It would be strange to have a DV at Moscow and than having to play Kursk, or a DV at Sealion but than have the Western Allies invade Italy and France!

your conclusion is absolutely rational and correct. i, by mistake, see only the way to play as much scenarios in one way as possible and lost the historical context. of course it is not possible to play as i thought because the allies or russia were slain. so ... thx to remind me that pc is not a bundle of maps.

and thx for confirming because i was a litte bit scared reading the diagram correct. so i start now new with the last sealion40 savegame and do nothing else as not moving into the last city i have to conquer so that i loose. than greece etc. because now knowing the yellow-path i know where to make a d m or l to go where i want to go.

now i have to choices. first playing yellow restart at sealion or playing forward after my d-win in stalingrad with kursk and than in the future go to usa.

there is no good way to go from green to usa so far as i can see otherwise than the way through. kursk.

so thx a lot to all of you. it is a great pleasure that this forum is so active to such an "old" game - which i have found very late and only through mund-zu-mund-propaganda