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Strange weapon stats and balance.

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:14 pm
by McMatthew
As a tabletop 40K player i noticed some strange things while looking at some of the stats for weapons.

Heavy bolter 1: 30 strength, 0% AP, 4 ROF.
Heavy bolter 2: 40 strength, 0% AP, 3 ROF.
Storm bolter: 30 strength, 0% AP, 2 ROF.
Shoota/Bolter:35 strength, 25% AP, 2 ROF.

I found it strange that both versions of the heavy bolter have no armor piercing value compared to the shoota and bolter which have 25% AP values when in the tabletop game the heavy bolter has 4 AP, the bolter has 5, and the shoota has 6 (lower is better). This means shoota boys can do damage to lemon Russ tanks which is impossible in the lore of 40K. Also storm bolters are worse than bolters when they have the same exact stats in the tabletop game. I'm wondering if this is for balance or maybe if the bolter and shoota weapon actually represent all of the weapons in a tactical squad/ork squad like missile and rokkit launchers they would carry.

Re: Strange weapon stats and balance.

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:20 pm
by VoidDragon
I think this is the balance thing. Although I can't explain, why should Shoota Boys be able to damage tanks, and Wartrucks with their Zzap Guns - not.

Re: Strange weapon stats and balance.

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:38 pm
by Kerensky
Yes some of it was done for balance, and one of the items from 1.02 patch notes was a reduction to Shoota AP rating. Balance is always ongoing though, so by all means the more feedback the better! :)

Re: Strange weapon stats and balance.

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:44 pm
by McMatthew
I also think the Lemon Russ conquerer could use a price reduction because it is worse than the upgraded Lemon Russ in every single way for the same cost. It has less accuracy and initiative, it has a storm bolter instead of heavy bolters, and in almost every circumstance a worse main gun

Re: Strange weapon stats and balance.

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:09 pm
by Plaid
McMatthew wrote:I also think the Lemon Russ conquerer could use a price reduction because it is worse than the upgraded Lemon Russ in every single way for the same cost. It has less accuracy and initiative, it has a storm bolter instead of heavy bolters, and in almost every circumstance a worse main gun
Thats true for most Leman Russ modifications - probably only 3-4 worth being used. Look at vanquisher for example - it can't do anything (low number of shots + low accuracy) and it is one of the most expensive ones.