Slitherine

Hi Guys, would greatly appreciate your help regarding the Attachment table in the army list for the Duchy of Warsaw under the Triumph of Nation supplement.

FOGN - Triumph of Nations

Army List clarification for the Duchy of Warsaw

Refer Army List 1809 pg 30, 1812 pg 54 & 55 and 1813 pg 83

In respect of the ATTACHMENT table per list, I noted the following:

1. In the 1809 list pg 30 - the Restriction for Skirmishers is stated "None" but Points per base is stated "NA". Value for Minimum bases and Maximum bases is "0"

2. In the 1812 list pg 54 & 55 - the Restriction for Skirmishers is stated "None Allowed". Points per base is just a dash (-). Minimum bases "0", Maximum bases "0"

3. In the 1813 list pg 83 - the Restriction for Skirmishers is stated "None" but Points per base has value "8" but Minimum base is "0". Maximum base is "0"

How do we interpret the above?

For 1809, since Restrictions is "None", I read it as NO restrictions apply for Skirmisher attachment. However, becoz Points per base is "NA" and minimum and maximum bases is "0", does it mean NO Skirmishers allowed OR Skirmishers are FREE (points per base not applicable) and unlimited bases allowed (subject to max of 1 per unit per attachment rule)?

For 1812, since Restriction is "None allowed" and Points per base is (-) with minimum and maximum base is "0", I read it as Skirmishers are Not Available for this list. Is this interpretation correct?

For 1813, since Restrictions is "None", I read it as NO restrictions apply for Skirmisher attachment. Points per base will be 8. And since minimum and maximum bases is "0", unlimited skirmishers bases allowed (subject to max of 1 per unit per attachment rule). Is this interpretation correct?

Thank you

1809...no skirmishers allowed
1812...no skirmishers allowed
1813...no skirmishers allowed

Consistency is not necessarily seen in all places of the rules or lists.
"Restrictions" could have been a different word; "Allowed" perhaps?

Hi Blathergut, thank you for the prompt clarification. I am planning to purchase more Warsaw miniatures to expand my army. So your response will help me make the correct order.

However, I am still curious why Skirmishers are not available for Warsaw in FOGN?

According to an online source (Napoleon, His Army and Enemies), the army used a large number of skirmishers. E.g. in Lepzig, Prince Poniatowski deployed 6 battalions into a thick skirmish line.

The above is just my opinion. I don't think any army list has unlimited skirmishers. Usually it's one per division, maybe two? You would need Terry or Mike to confirm and explain why.

Ok. Thank you

Blathergut wrote:The above is just my opinion. I don't think any army list has unlimited skirmishers. Usually it's one per division, maybe two? You would need Terry or Mike to confirm and explain why.

We need to distinguish of course between skirmish attachments and units types that are able to, or are obliged to, deploy in skirmish order.

I will have a look at the Leipzig example to see if it is quoted in other works ( George Nafziger, Digby Smith and Scott Bowden) if it is backed up and in what context. In essence however the Duchy of Warsaw as such had no light infantry regiments and did not have specialist infantry although it did have constituent left flank companies of voltigeurs in Line regiments.

The attachment is intended to cover the use of specialist light infantry( not light infantry regiments - Tyrolean Jaegers in Austria, Volunteer Jaegers in Prussia, the way single Btns of fusiliers were used in Prussia Rifle regiments in the British and/or a capacity and tactical doctrine to pull out left flank companies to operate together and not just on the flanks or fronts of their own units . If indeed there is evidence that in 1813 the Poles were doing that then that could justify attachments but no more than 1 per division. If it was an ad hoc arrangement put together on the day I would say say no.

The poles had no special light infantry units.

They basically had the standard French ligne infantry companies.
A battalion would have a voltiguer company.
In essence the voltiguer creates the ability to be a reformed infantry for firing range.