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Evading
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:38 am
by ravenflight
Hello all,
There is something I remember from the evade rules where a bg cannot evade twice in a turn (or is it a phase?) but cannot find the ruling. Any suggestions of what I'm thinking of or am I on drugs?
Re: Evading
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:30 pm
by hazelbark
I don't think it is explicit. But it is by phase. Two charges converging and evader who outdistances his original charger wanders into the path of a 2nd charge (that was chasing something else) in this case the evader does not evade again.
But you charge in impact phase an evader escapes but you hit someone else who says breaks in melee then you pursue into the previous evader, it can evade again.
Re: Evading
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:50 pm
by ravenflight
hazelbark wrote:I don't think it is explicit. But it is by phase. Two charges converging and evader who outdistances his original charger wanders into the path of a 2nd charge (that was chasing something else) in this case the evader does not evade again.
But you charge in impact phase an evader escapes but you hit someone else who says breaks in melee then you pursue into the previous evader, it can evade again.
Ok, you charge in impact, the dragoons evade, the disrupted line infantry behind get broken in the impact and the dragoons get charged again by the same troops. It seems unfair that technically the chargers could charge from one side of the board to the other (breaking a succession of impact combats) yet the evaders only get one evade.
I think it would be once per charge 'declaration', as all charges are declared subsequent charges/persuits are in essence 'declared'.
Re: Evading
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:24 pm
by daveallen
No battle Group can pass through a battle group that already passed through it this phase."
Evade Moves, Page 68, BP 4
So the line infantry do not burst through the evaded dragoons until the JA phase.
This assumes that the above point applies equally to Bursting Through.
If, at that time, the dragoons are within reach of the enemy pursuers they may choose to evade before the routers burst through them.
Assuming the rout move and the evade move can be treated as equivalent and that the Sequence of Charges and Responses (p92) can be applied to the JA phase...
Moral of this tale:
Never leave dragoons in front of line infantry."
Re: Evading
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:35 am
by ravenflight
daveallen wrote:No battle Group can pass through a battle group that already passed through it this phase."
Evade Moves, Page 68, BP 4
So the line infantry do not burst through the evaded dragoons until the JA phase.
This assumes that the above point applies equally to Bursting Through.
If, at that time, the dragoons are within reach of the enemy pursuers they may choose to evade before the routers burst through them.
Assuming the rout move and the evade move can be treated as equivalent and that the Sequence of Charges and Responses (p92) can be applied to the JA phase...
Moral of this tale:
Never leave dragoons in front of line infantry."
Sorry, I don't think this has anything to do with the question. Dragoons and Line (P&S) infantry cannot pass through each other.
Dragoons can be parallel and off to one side of an infantry BG and evade. The chargers can then contact and overrun the Infantry BG who would then pursue into the dragoons. Would the dragoons (who (for clarity) have never been interpenetrated) be able to evade a second time - if not, why not?
Re: Evading
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:35 pm
by daveallen
Sorry, the phrase "disrupted line infantry behind" lead me to think the line infantry had been burst through by the dragoons...
Dave
Re: Evading
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:49 am
by ravenflight
daveallen wrote:Sorry, the phrase "disrupted line infantry behind" lead me to think the line infantry had been burst through by the dragoons...
Dave
Ahh, ok, I understand. The reason I wrote that is because it's unlikely (even in the worst circumstances) that a BG will go from steady to routed in one phase. Yeah, it could happen, but highly unlikely. Disrupted? Well, that's another story.
So, in my efforts to be more realistic I became equally confusing
