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[BACKGROUND] Genders in the 50-60's...

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:41 pm
by N_Molson
There is another point of background that surprises me a little bit and tends to make the background context too "generic" in my taste. Let's talk about genders.

Historically, men always had a dominant role in our societies, as women were encouraged to perform housekeeping and child-caring tasks. The XXth century, and especially its second half, has seen a lot of progress in that area. Today, an female astronaut or engineer doesn't surprise anybody, it becomes common, even though there are more males than females in those technical jobs.

It was quite different in the 1950-60's, the timeline of BASPM Episode 1. An astronaut women was more an attraction than anything else. In fact no female astronaut flown before the Space Shuttles. Cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova was the first woman to reach space during Vostok 6, the 16 June 1963. She achieved 48 orbits in 3 days, but was stricken by "space sickness", a trouble similar to sea-sickness that still strikes randomly astro/cosmo-nauts (regardless of their gender !) aboard the ISS today. That problem is still not well understood, but it tends to get better with time and appropriated medicine. She even met Vostok 5 piloted by Valery Bykovsky in orbit, approached by 5 kilometers and had a short-waves radio chat with him.

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Notice on the pic that she is dressed like a man, has a short haircut and displays absolutely no signs of her feminity. That was the spirit back then, and that pic is from 1969...

But Soviets planned the operation as another "first" and another "proof" of Soviet technology (and people) superiority, as they showed they could even send women in space without risks with obviously propaganda in mind. In fact, Valentina sickness was taken seriously and it took 19 years until the second woman, Svetlana Savitskaya, flew into space aboard a Soyuz.

Now, in BASPM, there are as much women than men applicants in the recruitement screens, and that seems a bit odd for Episode 1 timeline. I really don't imagine a woman flying the X-15 in the late 1950's and becoming an international heroïn, that's anachronical.

In the original BARIS, the question was quite realistically answered by the "female astro/cosmo-nauts" events, that allowed to recruit women on a random basis.

So I think that something should be done about this, while keeping in mind the GSA context, if the developpers stick to it : I can imagine USA, USSR, or even Europe providing several female recruits, but it is difficult to conceive to imagine female middle-eastern 'nauts on that timeframe...

Re: [BACKGROUND] Genders in the 50-60's...

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:36 pm
by Nacho84
We had a chat about this with N_Molson via e-mail. For anyone else reading this thread, a few comments: the current names (and genders) of the employees candidates are just placeholders that were created using a random name generator. They will be replaced by the names of the players that bought the Apollo Tier.

Unfortunately we cannot use the names and pictures of real astronauts since we'd need to ask for permission, which is something that will require a significant effort. That being said, Buzz will definitely be featured as a selectable astronaut.

Cheers,

Re: [BACKGROUND] Genders in the 50-60's...

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:01 pm
by Sabratha
Nacho84 wrote:We had a chat about this with N_Molson via e-mail. For anyone else reading this thread, a few comments: the current names (and genders) of the employees candidates are just placeholders that were created using a random name generator. They will be replaced by the names of the players that bought the Apollo Tier.

Unfortunately we cannot use the names and pictures of real astronauts since we'd need to ask for permission, which is something that will require a significant effort. That being said, Buzz will definitely be featured as a selectable astronaut.

Cheers,
Ok, that's cool with me, at least as far as sandbox mode goes.

Still, in a campaign mode I think the "1st woman in space" should be a feature, since it was an important propaganda coup back in the day. I thin that is the base benefit of having both a campaign and sandbox mode. Campaign can stay historical, while we can go crazy in sandbox.

Also with the pictures... so in the final version there will be photos of random people in period spacesuits etc? Or will there be carton images created by the graphic artist?

Re: [BACKGROUND] Genders in the 50-60's...

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:08 pm
by Sabratha
N_Molson wrote:Image
Notice on the pic that she is dressed like a man, has a short haircut and displays absolutely no signs of her feminity. That was the spirit back then, and that pic is from 1969...
Actually that is a pretty average female period hairdo. I had female relatives who had similar hairstyles way into the early 80s.
Here's Tatiana Lavrova, a 60s soviet actress sporting a very similar hairdo:
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So yeha, its not fashionable today, but it was seen as pretty normal and feminine back in the day.