Slitherine

Will there be a future book covering the Dark Ages?
Thanks
Paul

I'm sure lists will be done, however, the Dark Ages in the west are not in the the initial tranche of books Osprey are publishing so when they will appear is uncertain at present IMO.

Hopefully the rules will go well and we will see something in the next few years.

i ust received my copy of FoG, and i too am lookingh for lists for my picts, scots, saxons, and brits. looks like i will have to try to fudge a DBM to FoG list conversion

Some of these will be covered in Legions Triumphant - at least those with armies that existed before about 500AD. Others will have to wait until 2009 I'm afraid.

Well here is my stab at a sub roman brit list for a core army cica 550ad.

Cavalry Superior,protected, undrilled cavalry-ligth spear, swordsmen. 14-26% of total army
light cavalry Average, unprotected, undrilled, light horse-lightspear. 0-6% of total army.
Pedyt Medium foot, protected,poor, defensive spearmen, 27-90% of total army
archers Light foot, unprotecte4d, average, bow 0-4% of total army.

what do you think ?

I was thinking of doing up some army lists based on the Bernard Cornwell trilogy, best Arthur stories out there I think, not sure what it would contain at the minute, but lots of Shieldwalls and a little Cav

Here's three more prospective core army list's. its up to you to organise the units ive just given raw total percentages.

PICTS 685 ad
Cavalry Cavalry, Superior, Armoured, Undrilled, -Light Spear, Swordsmen. 0-2% per general
Light Horse Light Cavalry, Average, Protected,Undrilled-Light Spear, javelin. 20-26%
Spearmen Heavy Foot, Protected, Average, Undrilled.-Offensive Spearmen. 14-60%
Javelinmen Light Foot,Protected, Average.Undrilled- Javelin 0-12%
Archerws Light Foot, Average, Unprotected, undrilled- bow 10-16%

Dal Riada Scotti
Fianna Heavy Foot, Superior,Protected, Undrilled,-Impact Foot, Light Spear, Swordsmen 0-1% per General
Warriors Medium Foot, Average, Protected, Undrilled.-Impact foot, light spear, sw3ordsmen. 24-100%
Slingers Lighy Foot, Average, Protected, Undrilled-sling 0-2%
EQUAL NUMBERS OF
Superior Skirmishers Light Foot, Superior, Undrilled,Protected-javelin 0-8%
Common Skirmishers Light Foot, Average, Unprotected, Undrilled,-Javelin 0-8

SAXONS 425 ad
Noble Warriors Heavy Foot, Superior, Protected(Armoured post 630ad) undrilled-Impact Foot,Ligth Spear,Swordsmen 10-20 %
Peasent Spearmen Heavy Foot, Average, Protected, Undrilled.-Impact Foot, light spear,Swordsmen 34-100%
Archers Light Foot, Average< unprotected, Undrilled.-bow 0-4%
Javelinmen Light Foot, Averge , Protected, Undilled, -Javelin 0-4%
Levy Foot Mob, Poor,Protected, Undrilled,-Light Spear 0-4%

Thats the best i can do. anybody got anything better? lets hear from you.

Pictish spearmen will be MF Offensive Spearmen

Intersting lists

Not sure about the Saxon peasent spearmen being undrilled, from my experience all armies at that time would have been able to form shieldwalls, so I am not sure under the rules if that counts them being drilled or not , I have only got the rules so slowly reading through them, but the Peasant/Fyrd or whatever you want to call them I would think would act the same as the Noble warriors just not as well protected and as experienced

WELL ITS TAKEN ME A WHILE BUT HERE IS MY FINALISED LIST FOR MY STRATHCLYDE BRITS FOR AN 800 POINTS AREMY

CINC 1 x IC @ 80
Sub Gen's 2 X TC @35
Cavalry 3X 4 Superior, Armoured, undrilled cavalry, - light spear, swordsmen @ 16
Light Cavalry 1 X 6 Average, preotected,light Horse, - light spear @ 7
Pedyt 12 X 8 Medium Foot, protected, poor, undrilled,- defensive spearmen @ 4
Arhcers 1 X 6 light Foot, unprotected, average - Bow @ 5
Unfortified camp
total 798 points
initiative +3

Fenton wrote:Intersting lists

Not sure about the Saxon peasent spearmen being undrilled, from my experience all armies at that time would have been able to form shieldwalls, so I am not sure under the rules if that counts them being drilled or not , I have only got the rules so slowly reading through them, but the Peasant/Fyrd or whatever you want to call them I would think would act the same as the Noble warriors just not as well protected and as experienced

Drilled is reserved for units approaching the capability of a marching band at an American Football match. So I would expect Saxon Fyrd and Nobles all to be undrilled.

brianredworth wrote: Dal Riada Scotti
Fianna Heavy Foot, Superior,Protected, Undrilled,-Impact Foot, Light Spear, Swordsmen 0-1% per General
Warriors Medium Foot, Average, Protected, Undrilled.-Impact foot, light spear, sw3ordsmen. 24-100%
Slingers Lighy Foot, Average, Protected, Undrilled-sling 0-2%
EQUAL NUMBERS OF
Superior Skirmishers Light Foot, Superior, Undrilled,Protected-javelin 0-8%
Common Skirmishers Light Foot, Average, Unprotected, Undrilled,-Javelin 0-8

Thats the best i can do. anybody got anything better? lets hear from you.

Note that Impact Foot and Light Spear are mutually exclusive, you can be one or the other but not both. Impact Foot is reserved for troops with a historical reputation for a fierce charge or that used a short sharp preparatory bombardment with heavy throwing weapons, neither of which applies to the Irish.

If the Fianna numbers are that low, I doubt they would be represented as a separate BG. I also doubt that they would be iincluded as separate elements in other BGs, so they would not be represented at all. That leaves the army as essentially all Medium Foot, Average, Protected, Undrilled, light spear, swordsmen.

Superior skirmishers: If these were translated from DBM Ps(S) then they should probably be LF average unprotected javelin. The common skirmishers would be the same or poor. From what I've seen, FoG lumps 99% of foot skirmishers into "LF unprotected average" regardless of DBM classification, except quite a few have the option to be poor. Also I think you could increase the numbers a bit.

I used a version of this army in a beta-test tournament at Leeds a couple of years ago. My army was set in the period before the Chariots and Attecotti disappeared, which made it a bit more interesting.

I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT THE IMPACT FOOT/LIGHT SPEAR THING. BUT I WOULD STILL RETAIN THE FIANNA.
IN THE ARMY I AM LOOKING AT AT PREASENT, THEY MAKE A TWO BASE UNIT, NOT MUCH BUT THEY CAN FULLFILL A SIMILAR ROLE TO THE EARLY REPUBLICAN TRIARI SMALL UNITS.
I THINK I WILL MAKE THE COMMON SPERMEN, LIGHT SPEAR, BUT RETAIN THE FIANNA AS IMPACT FOOT, AS THEY LIKE THE HUSCARLS AND COMMIATENSIS, TYPE TROOPS ARE THE CLOSEST THING TO REGULAR TROOPS, AVAILABLE TO THE SCOTTI/IRISH.

HI GUYS BACK AGAIN HERE ARE MY 800 POINT LISTS FOR THE FOLLOWING ARMYS IN OUR PERIOD.

PICTS 685 AD
C IN C 1 X FC @ 50 50
SUB GENS 2 X TC @ 35 70
MORMAER CAVALRY 1X 2 SUPERIOR ARMORED, UNDRILLED CAVALRY LIGHT SPEAR-SWORDSMEN @ 16 32
LIGHT CAVALRY 5 X 4 AVERAGE PROTECTED UNDRILLED LIGHT HORSE LIGHT SPEAR @ 8 160
SPEARMEN 6 X 8 MEDIUM FOOT PROTECTED UNDRILLED OFFENSIVE SPEARMEN @ 7 338
JAVELIN MEN 2 X 8 AVERAGE PROTECTED UNDRILLED LIGHY FOOT JAVELIN @ 5 80
ARCHERS 1 X 14 AVERAGE UNPROTECT3EED LIGHT FOOT BOW @ 5 70
CAMP 1 X UNFORTIFIED @ 0 0
800

SAXONS 425 AD +
C IN C 1 X TC @ 50 50
SUB GENS 2 X TC @ 35 70
NOBLE WARRIORS 2 X 8 HEAVY FOOTSUPERIOR PROTECTED UNDRILLED IMPACT FOOT SWORDSMEN @ 9 144
PEASENT SPEARMEN 2 X 10 HEAVY FOOT PROTECTED AVEAGE UNDRILLED IMPACT FOOT @ 7 140
6 X 8 DITTO 336
ARCHERS 1 X 6 LIGHT FOOT AVERAGE UNPROTECTED UNDRILLE BOW @ 5 30
JAVELIN MEN 1 X 6 LIGHT FOOT AVERAGE PROTECTED UNDILLED JAVELIN @ 5 30
CAMP 1 X UNFORTIFIED @ 0 0
800
FOR 670AD NORTHUMBRIANS REPLACE THE NOBLE WARRIORS ABOVE WITH
NOBLE WARRIORS 2 X 6 HEAVY FOOT SUPERIOR ARMORED UNDRILLED IMPACT FOOT SWORDSMEN @ 12 144




DAL RIADA SCOTTI / IRISH 685 AD
C IN C 1 X IC @ 80 80
SUB GENS 2 X TC @35 70
FIANNA 1 X 2 MEDIUM FOOR SUPERIOR PROTECTED UNDRILLED IMPACT FOOT SWORDSMEN @ 9 18
WARRIORS 10 X 8 MEDIUM FOOT AVERAGE UNPROTECTEC UNDRILLED LIGHT SPEAR SWORDSMEN @ 6 480
1 X 6 DITTO 36
SUPERIOR SKIRMISHERS
1 X 8 LIGHT FOOT SUPERIOR PROTECTED UNDRILLED JAVELINS @ 7 56
COMMON SKIRMISHERS
1 X 8 LIGHT FOOT AVERAGE UNPROTECTED UNDRILLED JAVELINS @ 4 32
SLINGERS 1 X 4 LIGHT FOOT AVERAGE UNPROTECTED UNDRILLED SLING @ 5 20
CAMP 1 X UNFORTIFIED CAMP @ 0 0
792

EARLY BRETON 580 AD
CIN C 1 C IC @ 80 80
SUB GENS 2 X TC @ 35 70
CAVALRY 7 X 6 CAVALRY AVERAGE ARMOURED UNDRILLED- LIGHT SPEAR SWORDSMEN @ 12 504
LIGHT HORSE 2 X 6 LIGHT HORSE AVERAGE PROTECTED UNDRILLED - LIGHT SPEAR SWORDSMEN @ 9 108
JAVELIN MEN 1 X 8 LIGHT FOOT AVERAGE UNPROTECTED UNDRILLED @ 4 32
CAMP 1 X UNFORTIFIED CAMP @ 0 0
794

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