Slitherine

Gents;

For those of us that are looking toward 2008 to enter some spiffy FoG comps (and sponsor them), I wanted to see if we could start moving towards some sort of consensus on game table size and points. I know this will more that likely be dictated by each tourney organizer, and there will be some different tourneys, to be sure. I'm mainly thinking about the big eastern cons, and the potential FoG Nationals. Since I am mainly a 25mm gamer, was wondering if folks thought that 650 pts on an 8x5' table would be standard, or 650pts on a 6x4', or 800pts on an 8x5'. My only reason for asking, is to construct my armies to fit the potential (and those that I am currently painting or will be painting.) Thanks in advance!!! [Figured the 15mm tourneys would follow the UK lead, but the 25mm US gamers tend to play with fewer points on a larger table.]

Dave

The US trend in DBM comps (which is where I come from) is for Historicon to be played at what one might call the usual point total, and for Cold Wars to be played at a smaller point total (for the Open) and a larger point total (for the Doubles). I certainly plan to run one or more 800 point FoG events in 15mm at Historicon, and will also run 25mm events if there is a call for them.

I am presently the NASAMW Rules Coordinator for FoG (my punishment for asking who was running FoG at Cold Wars ) and--in that capacity--will be trying to gauge interest in the various point totals and table sizes that people want to run. My guess is that we will have a wide variety of different formats used at first as people experiment with the rules.

I have the sense that the 15mm players are largely satisfied with 800 points on a 6x4 table. With regard to 25mm I am not sure that a similar consensus exists. What army and table sizes have you played with?

Marc

babyshark wrote: I have the sense that the 15mm players are largely satisfied with 800 points on a 6x4 table. With regard to 25mm I am not sure that a similar consensus exists. What army and table sizes have you played with?

Marc

Hi Marc;

Saw that you were 'picked' as the NASAMW FoG guy........good for us. I think you'll do a bang-up job. My background is DBM and Armati (Armati at the eastern cons). My thoughts for the bigger scale would be to try it at 650pts, on an 8x5'. The Clevedon 25mm comp just concluded in the UK with some nifty pictures (much appreciated, by the way). However, Richard indicated that the heavy foot armies (specifically the pike heavy ones) would have a slight advantage on a smaller table, similar to the UK's experience with the 400 pt. 25mm DBM game in the UK. My thought would be to try and get as many armies as possible to be viable in the bigger scale, since the 'picking's' will be smaller, more than likely [unless, of course, FoG can pull away some WAB gamers]. Anyway, my thoughts would be 650pts on an 8x5'. I'll be doing that very game next Wednesday the 12th. Using my 25mm Perry Crusaders, vs. some Old Glory Late Hungarians......I'll post the feedback, of course.

Dave

I think the other big factors to include in this decision is time and theme.

I think if you theme you can go up somewhat in points.

If you want to try and get shorter games then fewer points.

I fully expect the first tournament of 650 points could take 3-4 hours and not have decisive results. But by the 4rd tournament you can get the game done quicker.

It all depends on how much practice people have before Cold Wars.

Lastly as i get more games in, i can see the argument for more points. But it is only after you've got a good number of games in. So I think it is too early to start standardizing now. Better to start establishing themes as a standard.

For a first 25mm tournament at Historicon, my preference would be to use 650 points on a 5'x8' table with 1 MU = 40mm instead of 1 MU = 1 inch.

Peter

pcelella wrote:For a first 25mm tournament at Historicon, my preference would be to use 650 points on a 5'x8' table with 1 MU = 40mm instead of 1 MU = 1 inch.

Peter

I would vote for this as well.

pcelella wrote:For a first 25mm tournament at Historicon, my preference would be to use 650 points on a 5'x8' table with 1 MU = 40mm instead of 1 MU = 1 inch.

Peter

I will try and play a test game of this, but i suspect the 1 MU = 40mm will be more desireable than 650 points and instead opt for 800. The only thing that is certain is we don't have to decide about Historicon until May.

I will try and play a test game of this, but i suspect the 1 MU = 40mm will be more desireable than 650 points and instead opt for 800. The only thing that is certain is we don't have to decide about Historicon until May.I will try and play a test game of this, but i suspect the 1 MU = 40mm will be more desireable than 650 points and instead opt for 800. The only thing that is certain is we don't have to decide about Historicon until May.

So are you saying 1 MU = 40mm and 800 points instead of 650? That would be great with me.

Peter

pcelella wrote:

I will try and play a test game of this, but i suspect the 1 MU = 40mm will be more desireable than 650 points and instead opt for 800. The only thing that is certain is we don't have to decide about Historicon until May.I will try and play a test game of this, but i suspect the 1 MU = 40mm will be more desireable than 650 points and instead opt for 800. The only thing that is certain is we don't have to decide about Historicon until May.

So are you saying 1 MU = 40mm and 800 points instead of 650? That would be great with me.

Peter

My game on the 12th will be 650pts on an 8x5'. [Early Crusader vs. Late Hungarian] The terrain will have a larger footprint as well, so will report back on the overall 'feel' of the game [rather subjective, I admit.]

Dave

I'd suggest that the options for 25mm are:

1) 650pts on 6x4 with MU=1"
2) 800pts on 8x5 with MU=1"
3) 650 pts on 8x5 with MU=40mm

I'd suggest that everyone should try the first option (as per the rules) before moving onto the other 2.
For those people with experience of DBM 25mm, you should be aware the movement distances in FoG are at least 1" further than in DBM. This makes them pretty close to DBM 25mm distance even with an MU=1"
Long-range foot bows fire 6MUs which would equate to almost 10" at 40mm MUs

For those of you who want to play on 8x5 table (which includes myself) you have to make the decision on which of options 2) & 3) suit you. Personally, I'd prefer to get more figures on the table.

I'd be interested to hear the experiences of anyone who's tried all 3 options.

terrys wrote:I'd suggest that the options for 25mm are:

1) 650pts on 6x4 with MU=1"
2) 800pts on 8x5 with MU=1"
3) 650 pts on 8x5 with MU=40mm

I'd suggest that everyone should try the first option (as per the rules) before moving onto the other 2.
For those people with experience of DBM 25mm, you should be aware the movement distances in FoG are at least 1" further than in DBM. This makes them pretty close to DBM 25mm distance even with an MU=1"
Long-range foot bows fire 6MUs which would equate to almost 10" at 40mm MUs

For those of you who want to play on 8x5 table (which includes myself) you have to make the decision on which of options 2) & 3) suit you. Personally, I'd prefer to get more figures on the table.

I'd be interested to hear the experiences of anyone who's tried all 3 options.

Terry;

That's exactly what we plan on doing. First off is the 650pts on an 8x5' using 40mm=1 MU. Next 2 games will cover the other 2. I'll report back my thoughts on all 3 and try to draw some comparisons and highlight the differences (if any). [sidebar] 10" for long range foot bow on an 8x5' seems about right to me.......

Dave

terrys wrote:I'd suggest that the options for 25mm are:

1) 650pts on 6x4 with MU=1"
2) 800pts on 8x5 with MU=1"
3) 650 pts on 8x5 with MU=40mm

I'd suggest that everyone should try the first option (as per the rules) before moving onto the other 2.
For those people with experience of DBM 25mm, you should be aware the movement distances in FoG are at least 1" further than in DBM. This makes them pretty close to DBM 25mm distance even with an MU=1"
Long-range foot bows fire 6MUs which would equate to almost 10" at 40mm MUs

For those of you who want to play on 8x5 table (which includes myself) you have to make the decision on which of options 2) & 3) suit you. Personally, I'd prefer to get more figures on the table.

I'd be interested to hear the experiences of anyone who's tried all 3 options.

Terry;

That's exactly what we plan on doing. First off is the 650pts on an 8x5' using 40mm=1 MU. Next 2 games will cover the other 2. I'll report back my thoughts on all 3 and try to draw some comparisons and highlight the differences (if any). [sidebar] 10" for long range foot bow on an 8x5' seems about right to me.......

Dave

When is historicon this year? I would like to come across if its possible for me.

Si

shall wrote:When is historicon this year? I would like to come across if its possible for me.

Si

Simon:

Historicon '08 will be July 24-27. Come on over! There will be FoG to be played (although the specifics are not yet resolved).

Marc