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Shooting POA question

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:57 am
by moncholee
Hello, I would like to know if the word “Cavalry” used in the Shooting POA includes Light Horse.

Thank you. Regards,
Javier.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:01 am
by terrys
Hello, I would like to know if the word “Cavalry” used in the Shooting POA includes Light Horse.
The term 'Cavalry' does not include light horse.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:12 am
by moncholee
Thank you.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:16 am
by rbodleyscott
The rationale behind this is that

1) Light horse are always in skirmish formation and as such are a harder target so armour does not make much difference.
2) Cavalry are only in "skirmish" formation when they are deployed 1 rank deep. When they are in such a formation armour does not make much difference, but when they are in a denser formation it does.
3) Knights are never in skirmish formation, so armour always makes a difference.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:20 am
by moncholee
Thank you, I supposed a similar kind of reasons and was already not including light horse, but I wanted to be sure.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:25 pm
by Pikeaddict
rbodleyscott wrote:The rationale behind this is that

1) Light horse are always in skirmish formation and as such are a harder target so armour does not make much difference.
2) Cavalry are only in "skirmish" formation when they are deployed 1 rank deep. When they are in such a formation armour does not make much difference, but when they are in a denser formation it does.
3) Knights are never in skirmish formation, so armour always makes a difference.
BTW, Lionel and I had a question about shooting at Cavalry :

Why unprotected Cv doesn't give a + POA when shot at, like unprotected foot ?
They only give a ++POA if not in single rank but nothing otherwise...

Jerome

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:44 pm
by rbodleyscott
Pikeaddict wrote:
rbodleyscott wrote:The rationale behind this is that

1) Light horse are always in skirmish formation and as such are a harder target so armour does not make much difference.
2) Cavalry are only in "skirmish" formation when they are deployed 1 rank deep. When they are in such a formation armour does not make much difference, but when they are in a denser formation it does.
3) Knights are never in skirmish formation, so armour always makes a difference.
BTW, Lionel and I had a question about shooting at Cavalry :

Why unprotected Cv doesn't give a + POA when shot at, like unprotected foot ?
They only give a ++POA if not in single rank but nothing otherwise...
Because, as stated above, we consider armour unimportant when troops are in "skirmish" formation, which single rank cavalry are supposed to be.

From a game balance point of view, we want Unprotected Cavalry bowmen to be useful in single rank, which they would not be if the enemy got + POA for shooting at them.

We think that Unprotected Cavalry is probably a better representation of steppe nomad tactics than LH, which, to some extent (for steppe nomads at least), have been retained for backwards compatibility with older rules to save people being forced to rebase. From a game point of view, using them as LH is easier, but using them as unprotected cavalry may be more effective for skilled players.

I shall be rebasing most of mine, even though I lack the required skill.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:49 pm
by Pikeaddict
rbodleyscott wrote:
Pikeaddict wrote:
rbodleyscott wrote:The rationale behind this is that

1) Light horse are always in skirmish formation and as such are a harder target so armour does not make much difference.
2) Cavalry are only in "skirmish" formation when they are deployed 1 rank deep. When they are in such a formation armour does not make much difference, but when they are in a denser formation it does.
3) Knights are never in skirmish formation, so armour always makes a difference.
BTW, Lionel and I had a question about shooting at Cavalry :

Why unprotected Cv doesn't give a + POA when shot at, like unprotected foot ?
They only give a ++POA if not in single rank but nothing otherwise...
Because, as stated above, we consider armour unimportant when troops are in "skirmish" formation, which single rank cavalry are supposed to be.

From a game balance point of view, we want Unprotected Cavalry bowmen to be useful in single rank, which they would not be if the enemy got + POA for shooting at them.

We think that Unprotected Cavalry is probably a better representation of steppe nomad tactics than LH, which, to some extent (for steppe nomads at least), have been retained for backwards compatibility with older rules.
OK then, I thought tha Cavalry meant a solid compact formation compared to the Light horses more scattered unit.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:54 pm
by rbodleyscott
Pikeaddict wrote:OK then, I thought tha Cavalry meant a solid compact formation compared to the Light horses more scattered unit.
No. In fact none of them appear to have operated in an individually dispersed formation, but instead rode about in small clumps with gaps in between.

LH are assumed to be in this formation all the time, Cavalry only when in single rank. When cavalry are in more than 1 rank, they are assumed to be deployed in ranks without any large gaps. That is why 1 rank deep Cavalry can evade, but 2 ranks deep Cavalry can't.