Slitherine

are yu limited to how many break offs you can do in a turn(not the same bg)

No limit grandad.

If BG's have to and can break off then they will all break off.

Rob

Break off is compulsory. If a BG that should break off cannot it drops a cohesion level

phil or saying a bg that can has too

grandad wrote:phil or saying a bg that can has too

Yes its compulsory unless another battlegroup has somehow trapped your bg in contact with enemy (I've never seen that happen but theoretically it could).

cheers

zoltan wrote:Yes its compulsory unless another battlegroup has somehow trapped your bg in contact with enemy (I've never seen that happen but theoretically it could).

Seen it a fair bit. Quite fun too.

Sometimes you charge without orders and then conform into a position where your a friendly BG stops the break off. Nasty.

Polkovnik wrote:Sometimes you charge without orders and then conform into a position where your a friendly BG stops the break off. Nasty.

You let your bgs get into a risky situation like that?!

Polkovnik wrote:Sometimes you charge without orders and then conform into a position where your a friendly BG stops the break off. Nasty.

But since you get a chance to move your friendly BG out of the way in the movement phase, this shouldn't be a problem.

Normally it is the opponent preventing the break off - I've done it on numerous occasions.

dave_r wrote:

Polkovnik wrote:Sometimes you charge without orders and then conform into a position where your a friendly BG stops the break off. Nasty.

But since you get a chance to move your friendly BG out of the way in the movement phase, this shouldn't be a problem.

Normally it is the opponent preventing the break off - I've done it on numerous occasions.

I'm not sure about V2, but I'be been in situs where cataphracts had to break off from MF spearmen. I couldn't because of that exact reason. Charged, conformed and was in front of my own troops who couldn't get out of the way. It depends on the troops, but in V1 undrilled 'practically anything' would have a difficult time getting from behind their own troops, esp since it's only a problem if they are <1" away, and so wheeling is going to cause issues (if you wheel correctly that is - which few people seem to do)

ravenflight wrote:

dave_r wrote:

Polkovnik wrote:Sometimes you charge without orders and then conform into a position where your a friendly BG stops the break off. Nasty.

But since you get a chance to move your friendly BG out of the way in the movement phase, this shouldn't be a problem.

Normally it is the opponent preventing the break off - I've done it on numerous occasions.

I'm not sure about V2, but I'be been in situs where cataphracts had to break off from MF spearmen. I couldn't because of that exact reason. Charged, conformed and was in front of my own troops who couldn't get out of the way. It depends on the troops, but in V1 undrilled 'practically anything' would have a difficult time getting from behind their own troops, esp since it's only a problem if they are <1" away, and so wheeling is going to cause issues (if you wheel correctly that is - which few people seem to do)

In which case you're not thinking ahead enough. The move before, you should have thought "if I move my cataphracts there and my opponent reacts, will I end up in a daft position where I can't break off". Or you could put the IC with them to improve the chances of stopping them charging. Granted that undrilled troops are often clumsy. But that might be an issue of making sure that the other BG can also charge (and is of a type that wants to). Or just don't put clumsy troops that close to the cataphracts.

grahambriggs wrote:In which case you're not thinking ahead enough. The move before, you should have thought "if I move my cataphracts there and my opponent reacts, will I end up in a daft position where I can't break off". Or you could put the IC with them to improve the chances of stopping them charging. Granted that undrilled troops are often clumsy. But that might be an issue of making sure that the other BG can also charge (and is of a type that wants to). Or just don't put clumsy troops that close to the cataphracts.

Yes, that was essentially my point - anticip..............ation (queue Phil, "It's just a jump to the left...").

anticip..............ation

I think you'll find Robert is your man here...

grahambriggs wrote:

Polkovnik wrote:Sometimes you charge without orders and then conform into a position where your a friendly BG stops the break off. Nasty.

In which case you're not thinking ahead enough. The move before, you should have thought "if I move my cataphracts there and my opponent reacts, will I end up in a daft position where I can't break off". Or you could put the IC with them to improve the chances of stopping them charging. Granted that undrilled troops are often clumsy. But that might be an issue of making sure that the other BG can also charge (and is of a type that wants to). Or just don't put clumsy troops that close to the cataphracts.

Well we all make mistakes sometimes. It's the sort of thing that happens once and then you make sure it doesn't happen again.

am i right a mounted unit of lancers attacks a steady unit of mf. the mf result in getting disrupted can the mounted unit choose either to break off or say?

Hi grandad

The mounted do not get a choice.

They have to break off or stay depending on whether the foot are steady or not.

Rob

sorry they will stay if they stay steady but if they inflict a hit they can choose??

Mounted in contact with steady foot must break off. Mounted in contact with unsteady foot do not break off. If at least half the bases in front edge contact are steady foot, the mounted break off.

grandad wrote:am i right a mounted unit of lancers attacks a steady unit of mf. the mf result in getting disrupted can the mounted unit choose either to break off or say?

They do not break off because the foot are not Steady. Breaking off is not a choice. If half or more the opponents are steady foot the lancers MUST break off. If not they CANT break off.