Slitherine

Hello People,

Has anybody information-material about allied prototype-vehicles 1944-1946?
Thanks.

Yes, I have some. Depends on what you're looking for, because 'prototype' can mean anything, like a mild steel drivable armoured vehicle, to a completed series of test vehicles which could actually be used in combat. But after changing doctrine/design criteria, or dissapointing evaluation or trials they would not go through with production, so they would remain prototypes.

It's hard getting reliable info on most of these, but I sometimes come across small pieces of information not mentioned on wiki-like sites. For example, when testing AK I refreshed my knowledge of Italian armor and stumbled upon some good info about some rare vehicles/prototypes. I also have access to a ton of books (not all reliable), where there are often references to obscure equipment.

But you asked for allied vehicles from 1944-1946, so, on the top of my head I'll give some examples, let me know if there is anything in particular you are looking for, it depends entirely on what you would like to know more about. To be honest, there are a ton of actual production vehicles which are equally interesting, and not well known. So prototypes usually only interest me if they were actually tested/trialled in near-production form.

Examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T28_Super_Heavy_Tank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_je ... rld_War_II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Prince_%28tank%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortoise_h ... sault_tank
About the A39 Tortoise, sorry, can't resist, turn the volume down before you start this, it's gets quite noisy after 20 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wdu9C3Eu5k

http://english.battlefield.ru/su-101-and-su-102.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-8

Thank you very much for this informations... I'm searching for all kind of ground vehicles and aircrafts from the allies....

USA
M-26 E3 Pershing
M-26 Super Pershing
Sherman T34 Calliope

Canada
Ram MkII tank
Grizzly I a modified M4A1

Thanks,Razz....if you can find more,please post it.

And to our friends from the United States: Whats with more US-Prototypes?

Thank you too,Radoye.If you have more,please post...

Churchlakecity: Two aircraft I like very much...

Beeck XA-38 Grizzly and Bell XFM-1 Airacuda, would be wonderful to have them available in this game!

Here's the T-28,the US Super Heavy Tank


http://www.bing.com/search?q=t-28+tank+ ... p=2&sk=SS1

In the Wiki article there are links for the T-29 and the T-30,both were grand daddy's of the M103

Thank you very much people. Nikividd and i have planned a very huge new mod. All icons will be made new in a very cool realistic look. And in the Mod numberless new Units will be included....

@Bob: The T-28 is already finished.....

Here is the place to post all Units you want to play with in the game. I'm sure i don't know all types of units in WW2. Please post your wishes too,if possible with information links or screenshots and the correct unit name.

Maybe this one too? Went beyond prototype stage, but not used in combat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet

Thanks for the tipp....i will try it.... If you find more,please post.....

Need more,friends.That can impossible be all....

Remember,you can post other units-wishes here too.....

Hello Churchlakecity, I can look for more, but I see the list now also incorporates pre-1944 units? You asked for 1944-1946 prototypes, but I see a lot of pre-war stuff being posted, so I'm not sure what you are looking for exactly? I will try to explain:

I looked for real, existing protypes of tanks and aircraft from 1944-1946, which are very few.

If you include 'paper' projects (like most of the German jets for example, only drawings, never made or tested) there are some more, but these are not prototypes, just designs on paper. I know a couple, but usually there aren't any pictures or good drawings available.

And if you include the whole war, not just 1944-1946, well, in the early years there were more experiments, in the later years they mostly tested variants of standardized models, while the Germans went wild with all sorts of projects.

I'll look around for some extra things, but these will mostly fall outside your original criteria, and I'm not sure if that is what you want?

And about extra units: I already posted this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_je ... rld_War_II , did you look at all those airplanes in there?

Apart from production aircraft (like the P-59 above), some other prototype/test/concept allied airplanes from the 1940s I could dig up, most are actually research planes, not prototypes for actual combat aircraft. I missed a couple but there is quite a list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_E.28/39
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Vampire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_DH_108
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baynes_Bat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_Manx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth_A.W.52
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cierva_W.9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Aircraft_GAL.56
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.35_Libellula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.39B_Libellula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.52

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P ... oting_Star
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodyear_F2G
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XF5F_Skyrocket
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_FR_Fireball
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_L-39#Swept-wing_L-39
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_XP-72
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_XP-62
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_Vultee_XP-81
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_XP-83
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_BTD_Destroyer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Skystreak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-42_Mixmaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_XB-43_Jetmaster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-75_Eagle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_FH_Phantom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XP-67_Bat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_XP-79
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-35
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XP-54
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Wr ... 5_Ascender
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XP-56
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XP-58_Chain_Lightning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_V-173
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_XB-19
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-28_Dragon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-33_Super_Marauder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_XP-49
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_XP-50
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_XB-30
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-32_Dominator
(this last one was in the original PG)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YB-40_Flying_Fortress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-41_Liberator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_L-133_Starjet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-6#Su-7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-9_%281946%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gu ... 50_%28N%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_I-270
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leduc_0.10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud-Ouest_Triton

ThvN wrote:Hello Churchlakecity, I can look for more, but I see the list now also incorporates pre-1944 units? You asked for 1944-1946 prototypes, but I see a lot of pre-war stuff being posted, so I'm not sure what you are looking for exactly? I will try to explain:

I looked for real, existing protypes of tanks and aircraft from 1944-1946, which are very few.

If you include 'paper' projects (like most of the German jets for example, only drawings, never made or tested) there are some more, but these are not prototypes, just designs on paper. I know a couple, but usually there aren't any pictures or good drawings available.

And if you include the whole war, not just 1944-1946, well, in the early years there were more experiments, in the later years they mostly tested variants of standardized models, while the Germans went wild with all sorts of projects.

I'll look around for some extra things, but these will mostly fall outside your original criteria, and I'm not sure if that is what you want?

I've basically hit the same snag.

Most of the stuff had already been mentioned,or was an actual veh/weapon system

IE:M-48..Centurion..T-54...etc.

Is this for another project?

@THvN: wow,its a very huge list... Thank you very much. And you can post units before 1944 here in this thread....morey pairs of eyes see more than one pair of eyes.....please dont stop post your ideas....

@Bob (my beloved airbornemongo): Yes this units are for a very giantic mod nikividd and i have planned after GTPG 2.0

My worklist reach from Bavaria till Southpole.......

No more ideas...?

I'm sorry, I've been a bit busy lately... Well, yes, I can dig up a couple more prototypes I guess, you've already finished all those aircraft?

To be honest, I have some plans to make some icons for a few specific vehicles myself, mostly Allied mobile AAA (Flak) and transport/engineer units, since I have done a few convertible ant-aircraft ones already (see Guille1434's thread), and there are already tons of planes and tanks available in mods. So I've been collecting information on those mostly, but I will check for tanks/armoured vehicles for you. But most of it will be variations of existing tanks (different armament for example), and the early-war prototypes are often badly obsolete.

I have couple of questions, if you don't mind? Can you please post some sort of list of the tanks/vehicles you already know about? It will save me some time reading and having to post up all those links. I'm going to read through a couple of books I have, see what I can find, and it's easier if I have a list to compare to.

By the way, I can read basic German, so if you have any doubts about translation to English words, you can ask/post something in German for me if the mods allow it.

Dear THvN,thanks for your help.
I don't finished the aircrafts yet. My system is that i first make tanks/ground vehicles for all nations,than aircrafts,than infantry.
For the germans i have tons of information, but i can need more allied units. Some i have already finished.
To post a list here is rather impossible,because my existing material from the allies is not sorted yet.
Post all what you can find or what you not found in other mods but what you want to have in the game.
I collect your and other ideas then i sort them in different categories. Post all,tanks/ground vehicles,aircrafts....i can use them all....
You can post other unit-wishes too,not only prototypes.....

Thanks for your help again
churchy