Slitherine

Hello one or two questions:

autumn 1813
Cavalry:
Can i distribute all the cavalry in the mixed divisions and give the Horse artillery to a mixed division? Can there be a horse artillery and a foot artillery in one same division?

the guard units must be in a same mixed division. So if i have a guard unit in has to be fielded with the guard cuirassiers in the same division?

the Lieb infantry is it considred guard ?

Now the fussiliers have dissapeared, these are present in spring but not in autumn? why?

thank you

JL

Jilu wrote:autumn 1813
Cavalry:
Can i distribute all the cavalry in the mixed divisions and give the Horse artillery to a mixed division?

Yes you can distribute cavalry in to Mixed Division

Jilu wrote:Can there be a horse artillery and a foot artillery in one same division?

no only one artillery unit in each division

Jilu wrote:the guard units must be in a same mixed division. So if i have a guard unit in has to be fielded with the guard cuirassiers in the same division?

Changed answer to No, after reading ToN errata

page 91: Prussian Army Spring 1813 – Customized Army – 4th Bullet point:
DELETE: entire bullet point (“If used, guards must all be in the same mixed division”

Jilu wrote:the Lieb infantry is it considred guard ?

No

Answer are IMHO

thank you !

Jilu wrote:thank you !

Posted a bad Prussian army list on this posted viewtopic.php?f=69&t=36826 if your interested

This is is from the ToN errata

page 91:  Prussian Army Spring 1813 – Customized Army – 4th Bullet point:
DELETE:  entire bullet point (“If used, guards must all be in the same mixed division”

So I would say your guard Div does not need to be mixed if you don't want it to be

And if I remembering right at this stage the Prussians mobilized more troops hence the landwer troops in 1813 autumn list and the fusiliers were spread over more brigades hence the skirmishes Attachments and no more combined fusiliers as they were stretched thin. But been awhile since I have read up so I maybe wrong

And if I remembering right at this stage the Prussians mobilized more troops hence the landwer troops in 1813 autumn list and the fusiliers were spread over more brigades hence the skirmishes Attachments and no more combined fusiliers as they were stretched thin. But been awhile since I have read up so I maybe wrong

The fusilier battalions where not spread about the divisions, they where one of three battalions that made up each battlion of regular and reserve infantry. The regiments of Landwehr did not have a fusilier battalion within the three battalion regiment.

A Prussian Division was usually made up of one regular, one reserve and one landwehr regiment, so 9 battalions in all two of which would be fusiliers. These two battaions would amount to approx 1,600 men plus any jager attachments.

It is very strange that the Prussian army list for the part regiments that supported the French invasion of Russia, get more light infantry than any other Prussian list and that the one half battalion of jagers, translates into two brigades of rifle armed light infantry.

You kind of get the feeling a Francophile had a hand in the lists.

Don

i agree....

and what about the freicorps?

only Lutzow is mentioned.....

what about all the others?

http://napoleonistyka.atspace.com/Pruss ... #_uniforms

Itis just strange that you see troops dissapearing/reapearing in the lists from spring to 1815.

there were much more fussiliers/shutzen/jeagers than just attachments.....

As for the Prussian Dragoons, since Frederic the Dragoons were used as shock cavalry. and yet not before 1815 we see that.

Hussards in the Prussian Army were sometimes "battletroops". Even in other lists as the french the hussars are treated as light cav. Some regiments as the 5th hussars in the french army were more battle cav than just recon/pursuit troops.

again for the prussians autumn 1813 only one regiment, and yet there were more of them than the dragoons and cuirassiers....

Uhlans were at par on the battlefield as dragoons...yet that is nowhere to be seen in the lists.

just my thoughts...

JL

PS overall in all the lists to ùuch artillery IMO