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Is there a plan for a Danish-Norwegian army list for the 1814 Norwegian war ? There was no real fighting but you could have included a more complete list for the Danish army ( heavy cavalry and guards ) . Just as a "possibility" with already so many armies included just for the "possibility" like the british expeditionary Force to Walcheren

And Bernadotte did use a lot of allies when invading Norway : Prussians and Russians

bahdahbum wrote:Is there a plan for a Danish-Norwegian army list for the 1814 Norwegian war ? There was no real fighting but you could have included a more complete list for the Danish army ( heavy cavalry and guards ) . Just as a "possibility" with already so many armies included just for the "possibility" like the british expeditionary Force to Walcheren

And Bernadotte did use a lot of allies when invading Norway : Prussians and Russians

There was the earlier Dano swedish war whuch is in the second book . This one in 1814 we seem completey to have missed. Probabaly as there were no actions none of my reference books even mention it. Oops! well there are others deliberately not covered like US/GB in 1812 so we can look at it as a future napoleonic " Small wars" set. Can you give me any literature refs on it?

MikeHorah wrote:

bahdahbum wrote:Is there a plan for a Danish-Norwegian army list for the 1814 Norwegian war ? There was no real fighting but you could have included a more complete list for the Danish army ( heavy cavalry and guards ) . Just as a "possibility" with already so many armies included just for the "possibility" like the british expeditionary Force to Walcheren

And Bernadotte did use a lot of allies when invading Norway : Prussians and Russians

There was the earlier Dano swedish war whuch is in the second book . This one in 1814 we seem completey to have missed. Probabaly as there were no actions none of my reference books even mention it. Oops! well there are others deliberately not covered like US/GB in 1812 so we can look at it as a future napoleonic " Small wars" set. Can you give me any literature refs on it?

It's mentioned in the Osprey book, Scandinavian Armies in the Napoleonic Wars, by Jack Cassin-Scott (1976). Swedish forces number 45,000 in 2 corps with 20-30,000 Russian / Prussian troops. The Norwegians numbered 27,000. Although there was some fighting with limited numbers of troops involved, the Norwegians surrendered without a major battle.

Swedish forces number 45,000 in 2 corps with 20-30,000 Russian / Prussian troops. The Norwegians numbered 27,000. Although there was some fighting with limited numbers of troops involved, the Norwegians surrendered without a major battle.

Yes but no reason for a "what if" army . Just have a look at all those other what if" armies included in the book and 27000 is twice the Danish auxilliary corps .

What if Danemark had supported Norway and sent some infantry, heavy cavalry ( they had some ) and the guards ..OK Norway had only 8 line regiments and a light regiment + some ski bataillons but might be fun

shadowdragon wrote:

MikeHorah wrote:

bahdahbum wrote:Is there a plan for a Danish-Norwegian army list for the 1814 Norwegian war ? There was no real fighting but you could have included a more complete list for the Danish army ( heavy cavalry and guards ) . Just as a "possibility" with already so many armies included just for the "possibility" like the british expeditionary Force to Walcheren

And Bernadotte did use a lot of allies when invading Norway : Prussians and Russians

There was the earlier Dano swedish war whuch is in the second book . This one in 1814 we seem completey to have missed. Probabaly as there were no actions none of my reference books even mention it. Oops! well there are others deliberately not covered like US/GB in 1812 so we can look at it as a future napoleonic " Small wars" set. Can you give me any literature refs on it?

It's mentioned in the Osprey book, Scandinavian Armies in the Napoleonic Wars, by Jack Cassin-Scott (1976). Swedish forces number 45,000 in 2 corps with 20-30,000 Russian / Prussian troops. The Norwegians numbered 27,000. Although there was some fighting with limited numbers of troops involved, the Norwegians surrendered without a major battle.

The Norwegian numbers quoted seem pretty similar to the earlier Dano Swedish war, when they were distributed all over the country and not in a large field force. They held back the Swedes who invaded in small forces in a series of small actions but had no ability it seems to mount a counter offensive.

If that was still the case and given the country up there one wonders if FOG(N) is the ideal way to simulate that type of conflict? ( see also S American Wars of Liberation) We have put some insurgencies in the books because they did concentrate armies of 20,000 or so in one place at times but the call was marginal in some cases and those types of lists may be still more suitable for assymetical scenarios than standard or tournament style play

Neither the Danes nor the Nowegians would seem to have had the scale of forces to invade Southern Sweden on their own where more conventional operations would have been feasible . However there is nothing to stop you from having a go and and modelling it yourself rather than waiting for our mills to grind slowly! All the tools are there to support that.

MikeHorah wrote:[quote="shadowdragon]It's mentioned in the Osprey book, Scandinavian Armies in the Napoleonic Wars, by Jack Cassin-Scott (1976). Swedish forces number 45,000 in 2 corps with 20-30,000 Russian / Prussian troops. The Norwegians numbered 27,000. Although there was some fighting with limited numbers of troops involved, the Norwegians surrendered without a major battle.

The Norwegian numbers quoted seem pretty similar to the earlier Dano Swedish war, when they were distributed all over the country and not in a large field force. They held back the Swedes who invaded in small forces in a series of small actions but had no ability it seems to mount a counter offensive.

If that was still the case and given the country up there one wonders if FOG(N) is the ideal way to simulate that type of conflict? ( see also S American Wars of Liberation) We have put some insurgencies in the books because they did concentrate armies of 20,000 or so in one place at times but the call was marginal in some cases and those types of lists may be still more suitable for assymetical scenarios than standard or tournament style play

Neither the Danes nor the Nowegians would seem to have had the scale of forces to invade Southern Sweden on their own where more conventional operations would have been feasible . However there is nothing to stop you from having a go and and modelling it yourself rather than waiting for our mills to grind slowly! All the tools are there to support that.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

I won't be modelling the campaign...too much else to do. I was just answering the request for references. However, the very short Osprey description of the campaign did seem such that at least division size actions were viable.

All I ask is that the gys responsible for all this just give the Danish the same opportunity they give the British units . Walcheren was not a big offensive and yet there is a possibility to make a good corps out of it . Give the same opportunity to the Danish with a what if

bahdahbum wrote: All I ask is that the gys responsible for all this just give the Danish the same opportunity they give the British units . Walcheren was not a big offensive and yet there is a possibility to make a good corps out of it . Give the same opportunity to the Danish with a what if

Ok point taken it's on the list if we do any new lists. Not sure what the opportunity will be in terms of publishing further lists.

Ok point taken it's on the list if we do any new lists. Not sure what the opportunity will be in terms of publishing further lists.

Obviously there will be none in books, b ut there will be an option to publish additional lists on the website for armies not covered by FOG2 & FOG3. We could then give them 'offical' status for use in competition.

If anyone wishes to produce and send us lists for armies that we haven't covered so far (even for other theatres) we would be happy to take a look at them.