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Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:56 pm
by SirGarnet
If not using the lists, there are guidelines for attachments on p17.

(A) If using the lists, am I correct that attachments are for all armies either required to be assigned to a specific unit in the OOB (most cases, such as Russians, Spanish ) or assigned to specific divisions (Prussians), or if there is no list mention of unit or divisional assignment when purchased then they are Corps assets that can be assigned anywhere in the Corps on the battlefield as with Divisions (see below)?

(B) And correct that lists will provide that those assigned to a division (or unassigned) are assigned to units either?

1. After terrain placement, but before any futher deployment steps. Examples: Anglo-Portuguese; Prussians; French mixed divisions and better armies; Austrian mixed divisions.
2. To each unit as the unit is deployed and declared to the other player. This is the default on page 101 that would apply to divisional and corps assets if nothing else is specified in the list.
3. After both sides deploy. For the most flexiible armies, "the British being a typical example." (p101)

(C) In addition, where there are "per division" and similar limits on attachment purchases, am I correct that those limits apply not only to purchase but also to the number that may be used in the field for each division etc.?

(D) Are attachments totally cool, or what?

Re: Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:18 pm
by Ambiorix
Hi,

I noticed in every armylist the attachment restrictions are described differently :

- up to 1 allowed
- no more than 1
- up to 1 per division
- no more than 1 per division
- no more than 1 per divison and a maximum of 2
- minimum of 1 and maximum of 2

If this is intentionally , than I guess as a non native English speaker i am missing some nuances;

Are all these restrictions per army, i.e. in case of 2 divisions and restriction of up to 1 per division can I allocate 2 to 1 division and 0 to the other?

thx for the clarification

Re: Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:09 am
by deadtorius
Ambiorix wrote:Hi,

I noticed in every armylist the attachment restrictions are described differently :

- up to 1 allowed
- no more than 1
- up to 1 per division
- no more than 1 per division
- no more than 1 per divison and a maximum of 2
- minimum of 1 and maximum of 2

If this is intentionally , than I guess as a non native English speaker i am missing some nuances;

Are all these restrictions per army, i.e. in case of 2 divisions and restriction of up to 1 per division can I allocate 2 to 1 division and 0 to the other?

thx for the clarification
This is intentional. Certain armies have more flexibility with attachments than others do. The army list will specify if attachments must be made when the list is made up or can be attached at deployment.

Re: Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:22 am
by hazelbark
Ambiorix wrote:I noticed in every armylist the attachment restrictions are described differently :

If this is intentionally , than I guess as a non native English speaker i am missing some nuances;
They clearly failed to have an editor come back through and standardize language. I suspect that as they looked at each list they developed their thinking and wrote it down.

Don't be concerned many of the words are oddly constructed for a native english speaker. :shock:

Re: Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:17 am
by david53
hazelbark wrote:
Don't be concerned many of the words are oddly constructed for a native english speaker. :shock:
I have that problem being scottish as well :D

Re: Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:11 pm
by SirGarnet
Any thoughts on questions A, B and C?

Re: Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:20 am
by hazelbark
MikeK wrote:Any thoughts on questions A, B and C?
I believe yes. Good catch on 101.

Re: Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:50 pm
by deadtorius
Have to agree with D too :wink:

Re: Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:43 am
by terrys
We have tried to standardise in the army list books where possible, such that:
- up to 1 allowed
- no more than 1
are effectivley the same and have become "Up to 1 permitted"

- up to 1 per division
- no more than 1 per division
are effectivley the same and have become "Up to 1 per division"

The following 2 have different meanings and should be treated as such.
- no more than 1 per divison and a maximum of 2
- minimum of 1 and maximum of 2

Answers to Questions A-D
A & B) Each list has 1 or 2 rules specifying when attachments are allocated. These will be 1 or 2 of the following:
> When the army is first created: The attachment is either directly assigned to the unit, or the army is less flexible in its allocation of support units.
> After terrain placment but before unit deployment: The attachments are a divisional reserve and need only be assigned to the division when the army is first created.
> After deployment: The attachments are a corps reserve and are available to assign to any unit in the army.

C) 1 Per division (for example) means that each division may have up to 1 of these attachments in it. It doesn't mean that if you have 4 divisions you may use up to 4 and have them in any division you want.

D) Cool - definately. There are many ways of using them. Some players like to bump up their weaker units so that all of them are useful. Others like to upgrade a few good units to give them extra punch where they need it.

Re: Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:00 pm
by SirGarnet
Thanks, Terry, for the clear explanation. Preassigned/div reserve/corps reserve is easy to follow and explain.

Re: Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:04 am
by SirGarnet
A related question. p17 says a mixed division "Must contain at least 2 Infantry and one Cavalry units, but no more than 4 of either." Just to be clear, this means it could be as large as 4 Inf 4 Cav and the 1 max Art. Impractically unwieldly to command, but legal - correct? And there is no specific cap on the Inf and Cav divisions, other than any within a specific army list.

Re: Assigning Attachment Assets; Corps Assets

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:26 pm
by terrys
A related question. p17 says a mixed division "Must contain at least 2 Infantry and one Cavalry units, but no more than 4 of either." Just to be clear, this means it could be as large as 4 Inf 4 Cav and the 1 max Art. Impractically unwieldly to command, but legal - correct? And there is no specific cap on the Inf and Cav divisions, other than any within a specific army list.
You are correct. You can field divisions as large as you like (or up to 9 for mixed) - The restriction being on your ability command the units in it.
I would certainly recomment not using 9 units in a single division.