Slitherine

While working on Panzercorps East I noticed that the base game lacks important lend lease units and wanted to post a to-do list of existing units which have to be reskinned with russian vanilla like skins and units which have to be added to the game.
Maybe the gifted skinners among the comunity are willing and/or happy to take on this task as I imagine that once these units are done they would form a great unit database for any future project which is emphasizing on the eastern conflict.
I could add any posted unit here to the first post where future project makers can find these units at a glance and once finished make a complete lend lease package whih certainly will be of great help for me and all others who are going to do an eastern thingi...

To be reskinned from vanilla with russian colors:

M3A1 Stuart
Churchill
Matilda II
M4A1(76)W
P-40
P-47
Spitfire MKI
B-25

New models to be added for US and Soviet
A-20 Douglas Tac Bomber -8000 produced units and 3000 delivered to USSR are a great oversight by the PC dev team DONE

P-39 Aircobra



Here a complete list of lend lease equipment delivered to USSR (Only Planes and Tanks)
Pz:
M3A1 Stuart - 1200
Valentine - 3500 -already in the game
Churchill - 300
M3A3 Lee/Grant - 1200 -already in the game
Matilda - 800
M4A2 75mm Sherman - 1700
M4A2 76mm Sherman - 1800

Fl:
P-39 Airacobra single-engine fighters - 4700
P-40 single-engine fighters - 2400
P-47 - 200 March 1944
Hurricane single-engine fighters - 3000 -already in the game
Spitfire single-engine fighters - 1300
A-20 twin-engine light attack bombers - 2900
B-25 twin-engine medium bombers - 900

Very interesting list. I had no idea that some of those units were actually transported to the USSR. Thanks for posting this

Although it has no bearing on the PzC game, once in a while you will see some photos of Russian partisans and regular troops with a Thompson .45 submachine gun or a Colt .45 pistol. The Russian army would have been almost barefoot and starving without the massive shipment of boots as well along with spam to fill their bellies. There are large numbers of Sherman equipped Soviet armored forces that came through Hungary on the way to Berlin. I dont' remember seeing any in the Lake Balaton scenario on PzC. In reality they were a very large portion of the Soviet armored forces.

If you don't insist on using the original icons as base, I could re-render some aircraft I have in 3d, namely P-40, P-47 (do you want B or D - so "razorback" or "bubble" canopy?), Spitfire, P-39 Aircobra just slapping another paint and red stars on them. That would be no biggie.

bebro wrote:If you don't insist on using the original icons as base, I could re-render some aircraft I have in 3d, namely P-40, P-47 (do you want B or D - so "razorback" or "bubble" canopy?), Spitfire, P-39 Aircobra just slapping another paint and red stars on them. That would be no biggie.

Cool...that would help greatly...if you could try to keep the angle/size as close as possible to vanilla I dont think it makes any difference but once icons get weird angles all the animations are literally screwed too which means a lot more work then...
thnx a bunch anyway for offering some assistance


P-47D-27-RE. 255-th IAP, Northern Fleet


any chance you have an A-20 Douglas hanging around ?

chris10 wrote:Cool...that would help greatly...if you could try to keep the angle/size as close as possible to vanilla I dont think it makes any difference but once icons get weird angles all the animations are literally screwed too which means a lot more work then...

I fully agree with you. The shadows also don't look good and besides aesthetically speaking, it doesn't work well when mixing different angles.
But you can rely on bebro, his planes have always correct PzC angle.

All this soviet lend lease units will be produced with the upcoming H.Balck's Unit pack II !

H.Balck

HBalck wrote:All this soviet lend lease units will be produced with the upcoming H.Balck's Unit pack II !

H.Balck

Thats indeed great...but honestly I cant wait that long
and having them complete before wont hurt anybody especially when others wanna embark in eastern scenarios too

chris10 wrote:Here a complete list of lend lease equipment delivered to USSR (Only Planes and Tanks)
Pz:
M3A1 Stuart - 1200
Valentine - 3500 -already in the game
Churchill - 300
M3A3 Lee/Grant - 1200 -already in the game
Matilda - 800
M4A2 75mm Sherman - 1700
M4A2 76mm Sherman - 1800

Fl:
P-39 Airacobra single-engine fighters - 4700
P-40 single-engine fighters - 2400
P-47 - 200 March 1944
Hurricane single-engine fighters - 3000 -already in the game
Spitfire single-engine fighters - 1300
A-20 twin-engine light attack bombers - 2900
B-25 twin-engine medium bombers - 900

Even more significant were deliveries of various trucks and other non-combat vehicles which were modified by the Soviets to carry different weapon systems - 57mm AT guns, Katyusha rocket launchers, AA guns etc.

Then, several types based on M2 halftracks - used as command/recon vehicles or weapon carriers; T48, M15, M17 . Again, some unmodified, some with quite significant modifications.

Also a significant number of British and Canadian made Universal ('Bren') Carriers.

Some bridge layers, recovery and other engineering vehicles.

Aircraft - in addition to those listed above, P-63 Kingcobras and PBN Nomad flying boats (developed from PBY Catalina) have been delivered in large numbers. Bunch of other types sent in smaller numbers for evaluation purposes. Some other Allied types that occasionally force-landed in USSR have been repaired and used by the Soviets.

Tanks and other combat vehicles - there have been some M10 'tank destroyers', M7 SP guns, UK Tetrarch airborne tanks, M5 Stuarts... but only in small numbers.

Radoye wrote: Even more significant were deliveries of various trucks and other non-combat vehicles which were modified by the Soviets to carry different weapon systems - 57mm AT guns, Katyusha rocket launchers, AA guns etc.

Then, several types based on M2 halftracks - used as command/recon vehicles or weapon carriers; T48, M15, M17 . Again, some unmodified, some with quite significant modifications.

Also a significant number of British and Canadian made Universal ('Bren') Carriers.

Some bridge layers, recovery and other engineering vehicles.

Aircraft - in addition to those listed above, P-63 Kingcobras and PBN Nomad flying boats (developed from PBY Catalina) have been delivered in large numbers. Bunch of other types sent in smaller numbers for evaluation purposes. Some other Allied types that occasionally force-landed in USSR have been repaired and used by the Soviets.

Tanks and other combat vehicles - there have been some M10 'tank destroyers', M7 SP guns, UK Tetrarch airborne tanks, M5 Stuarts... but only in small numbers.

Thnx for pointing out...
The lend-lease was obviously far bigger than what this topic is about but as I mentioned this is Tanks and Planes only.
soviet_M3_ halftrack are in the game already and there is no way modelling the delivery of 500.000 US made trucks who kept up the logistics of the russain war industry an all the other stuff like millions of uniforms,boots,canned food and so on and so on

P-63 were delivered under the condition not to be used in the european theatre and Flying Boats were used for the far east only...
Iam not aware of the fact that any of the equipment you mentioned were used in the German-Russian conflict in sufficient quantity to justify its implementation into the game although Iam happy to be corrected

I know M3 halftrack is already in game. although it should be more correctly modeled as a recon (was used as a command / staff vehicle, not as an APC or for towing stuff). An Universal Carrier could be added for a ground transport role.

(I'm nitpicking here, but the Russki did not receive many M3 halftracks; they mostly got M2's or the re-engined M3, designated M5.)

An "upgrade" lend-lease truck could be interesting replacing the original Soviet-produced one. Basically keep the current truck and its icon for a mid-1942 lend-lease upgrade, and create a somewhat weaker early ZiS-5 truck.

T48 (an M3/M5 halftrack chassis based tank destroyer with 57mm gun), aka SU-57, was used in hundreds against the Germans.

P-63's were used in the west too, at the very end of the war, despite the agreed upon condition they're to be used in the east only.

Radoye wrote: T48 (an M3/M5 halftrack chassis based tank destroyer with 57mm gun), aka SU-57, was used in hundreds against the Germans.

true...although this brings us back to the discussion in this topic
viewtopic.php?f=147&t=33423
...Iam not sure halftracks with AT guns are really needed in the game but thats just me...


Regarding the P-63 I yet have to see some hard proof that it was used in the european theatre. I tend to think If there would be some proof if would have come to light by now.There have been these rumors some soviet aces upgraded their P-39 to P-63 but who knows,the P-63 was similar enough to the P-39 to be mistaken for it so maybe people claiming this from back then have confused both aircrafts with each other or maybe a handful of pilots really have gotten their hands on the plane which seems doubtful to say at least...and even if there were a fw P-63 in the hands of soviet aces would that qualify for the statement the P-63 was used in the european theatre ?...certainly not cause the plane was not available to any frontline units before the german surrender in May 1945 and only saw brief action in the soviet campaing against the japanese before their surrender in August 1945

A-20 Douglas (Havoc)

I think this icon looks pretty nice ingame...no big unit though

It should be a little smaller, IMO.

VPaulus wrote:It should be a little smaller, IMO.

...the plane is only a tiny bit smaller than a B-25
here next to a Mosquito,B-24 Liberator,B17, A-26 Marauder and a P-47
I think the size is acceptable or am I blind ? ....
I mean there is no universal scale in PzC to which all units refer...the P-47 for example is way to big here and the B-17 to small in comparison to the A-26 and the others and so on...its really difficult to say...I think it feels ok when next to the other planes
the Mosquito for example is way oversized as it was only 12m while the A-26 was 15m and the A-20 14,70...still the Mosquito is of same size as the A-20...it really depends to which particular model you refer in each moment....its a bit of a mess

No, it's me who is blind.
In fact it looks quite good.

chris10 wrote:Regarding the P-63 I yet have to see some hard proof that it was used in the european theatre. I tend to think If there would be some proof if would have come to light by now.There have been these rumors some soviet aces upgraded their P-39 to P-63 but who knows,the P-63 was similar enough to the P-39 to be mistaken for it so maybe people claiming this from back then have confused both aircrafts with each other or maybe a handful of pilots really have gotten their hands on the plane which seems doubtful to say at least...and even if there were a fw P-63 in the hands of soviet aces would that qualify for the statement the P-63 was used in the european theatre ?...certainly not cause the plane was not available to any frontline units before the german surrender in May 1945 and only saw brief action in the soviet campaing against the japanese before their surrender in August 1945

Osprey Publishing Aircraft of the Aces series, Soviet Lend-Lease Fighter Aces of WW2 claims P-63's have been delivered to frontline units in Europe just before VE day but it is likely they were not flown to combat before Germans surrendered.

9 GIAD (Guards Fighter Aviation Division) received 36 during the final battle for Berlin but they decided to put off conversion to the new type until Berlin falls.

Ditto 5 GIAD, which received an unspecified number of Kingcobras during the Berlin operation.

Besides these two frontline units, a number of PVO (air defence) fighter regiments stationed within European Russia were converted to P-63 before VE day.

The bulk of the total 2400 received Kingcobras did remain in the Far East and took part in the offensive against the Japanese in Manchuria.

Now - while it seems Kingcobras have not seen much, or any, fighting in Europe, they were undoubtedly present in the theatre. Had the war dragged on for another month or two they would be no doubt put into active service. We already have quite a few "what if" types that have seen no or very little service, or have been built only in prototype form, so i don't see why should we disqualify the Soviet P-63.

just my $0.02

chris10 wrote:A-20 Douglas (Havoc)

I think this icon looks pretty nice ingame...no big unit though

Good one. Like VPaulus, I thought it's too big at first, but I guess it is just because the preview is out of the usual size...

I see to finish those planes I mentioned in a couple of days.

What about the French Air Squadron that fought for Russia? What planes did they fly? Very successful group but given little recognition by the Soviets post war.

flakfernrohr wrote:What about the French Air Squadron that fought for Russia? What planes did they fly? Very successful group but given little recognition by the Soviets post war.

Yak-1, Yak-3 and Yak-9 but this is not really about single squadrons here Flak...
and btw they got plenty of recognition in Russia...more than half of the pilots received high level medals in Russia...
In 1977 the ex squadron comander got the Lenin-Peace Prize from the russian government and in May 9th,2010 the surviving Pilots have been flown to Russia to participate in the Parade to the 65.th anniversary of the end of the war on the red square in Moscow