Slitherine

Hi again guys,

sorry for the question if it has been well discussed before.

Can we contract, move straight and enter a restricted area of an ennemy BG? The move is named contraction, and the rule says that none can contract if he is in a restricted area. So....?

for example a BG of 4 bases of LH in single rank contracts in 2x2, then move 7 MU and throw their javelin at ennemy face.

Domblas

yes you can do this. The restriction is that you can't contract while IN a restricted area.

thx

grahambriggs wrote:yes you can do this. The restriction is that you can't contract while IN a restricted area.

And just to be clear, any movement done within the Restricted Area must comply with the limited choices available. i.e. stop and remain in place as soon as entering the RA; wheel to be parrallel with enemy.

The options to move away from the enemy or turn 90degrees on the spot are unlikely to be available to those BGs that have contracted and now must complete a simple forward move of at least 3 MU.

grahambriggs wrote:yes you can do this. The restriction is that you can't contract while IN a restricted area.

Hi Graham,

I'm sorry but, the rules says page 41 in "the simple and complex moves":
" a move must be from a single section of the table (e.g charges, advances or expansions);

a contraction move is not possible if the BG enter in the restricted aera, as any mouvement done must comply with the limited choices available of page 74;

Best regards

thefrenchjester

ps: I hope my poor english wording will be understable;

Yes, this is a contraction move, so could be: "Contract frontage by 1 or 2 bases with a SIMPLE advance of at least 3 MUs before or after".

So the BG first contracts, outdie of the Restricted Area.

Then it does a simple move to enter the restricted area.

The restriction is the BG cannot contract in the RA. It does not say that it cannot make a contraction move that enters the restricted area.

ok, interesting point of view of this part of the rules, it just open the pandora box a little more;-)

Best regards

thefrenchjester

Hmmm...is your name and location a Marillion/Fish reference?

He's French. It could be a reference to anything deep and meaningful.

So back to my supplementary question about what you can/can't do once you enter the Restricted Area. Is it correct that as soon as a BG enters the RI it must obey the RI movement restriction? For example, if a BG enters an opponent's RI at an acure angle it must either stop immediately, use its remaining move to reverse out of the RI (if an option for the troop type), or use its remaining move to wheel parrallel to the enemy? If it has insufficient move remaining to reach a parrallel position then this option would be unavailable to the BG.

In other words, BGs must literally 'square off' with each other when moving within 2MUs.

I thought they could carry on going straight ahead as well

zoltan wrote:In other words, BGs must literally 'square off' with each other when moving within 2MUs.

If a BG starts to wheel then it must *TRY* to 'square off' as you say.

But lets say you had used 4 MU for your CV then started the wheel. You only have to use the remaining 1 MU and you may not have finished squaring off.

We have long wanted a FAQ or Errata on the restricted area.

I don't have my rules with me. But the RA applies if you are in it. So if you contract outside and move in with an advance would that count as the "advance" in the RA section?

Yep that's my point. Once you enter the RA you must use any remaining move to attempt to comply with one of the limited options. Generally, this is most likely to be to wheel as far as you can (given the MUs remaining) to square off. If you don't have sufficient MUs left to achieve a parrallel position. If you don't have sufficient MUs left to get parrallel does that mean:

A. You do your best and wheel as far as you can even if not finishing parallel?
B. You are not permitted to enter the RA as you are unable to comply with the specified move restrictions (wheel to be parrallel)?
C. You may enter the RA but then must immediately stop (which effectively means you have taken the 'remain where you are' RA option?

Phil seems to be saying that if you start outside the RA and move inside it at an oblique angle to the enemy BG you are NOT
obliged to attempt to wheel to be parrallel. In other words within the RA you can move nearer the enemy without being parrallel.

zoltan wrote: Phil seems to be saying that if you start outside the RA and move inside it at an oblique angle to the enemy BG you are NOT
obliged to attempt to wheel to be parrallel. In other words within the RA you can move nearer the enemy without being parrallel.

If you start outside and enter at an oblique angle. And you are not wheeling once you enter, you are not required to wheel. But any wheeling then invokes the attempt to line up parallel.

ShrubMiK wrote:Hmmm...is your name and location a Marillion/Fish reference?

Hi srubMik,

yes, of course;-)
I'm fond of the Fish period, unforgettable moments of introspection
the design of the vinyls really influenced my painting style;
are you a fan too?

Best regards

Gilles "thefrenchjester unmasked "

ps: a big thank to Phil, see you in Britcon,Mate.

hazelbark wrote:We have long wanted a FAQ or Errata on the restricted area.

I don't have my rules with me. But the RA applies if you are in it. So if you contract outside and move in with an advance would that count as the "advance" in the RA section?

Hi Hazelbark,

that's what I tried to point out above, the general mouvement section explains that you can use only one section of the mouvement table, that's why I thought what I tried to explain with my poor english wording,even if I understand the point of view of Graham respectfully, the confirmation of the rule authors would have been a great help in clarifying it;

Best regards and all my apologises for my poor wording;

thefrenchjester

Yes, I was a big fan during the Fish era...although I gradually lost interest in both the band and Mr. Dick himself after they went their separate ways, was never quite the same.

I still feel the urge to listen to Script from time to time...I remember spending far too much time obsessing over the lyrics back in the day!

ShrubMiK wrote:Yes, I was a big fan during the Fish era...although I gradually lost interest in both the band and Mr. Dick himself after they went their separate ways, was never quite the same.

I still feel the urge to listen to Script from time to time...I remember spending far too much time obsessing over the lyrics back in the day!

Vigil in the wilderness mirrors is good, raingod for zippos and 13th star are differents but are good also;

but you're right the 82"to 88" era was the best era even it was obsessing and, imagine that I had to try to translate the lyrics in french before trying to understand anything
and I missed so many points during the process;-)
I even painted "phart the jester" of the Foundry medieval range in the same style of "the script" , not so obsessing;-)
perhaps we will meet in Britcon and speak about Marillion around a drink;

Best regards

thefrenchjester "gilles masked now;-)"

thefrenchjester wrote:

hazelbark wrote:We have long wanted a FAQ or Errata on the restricted area.

I don't have my rules with me. But the RA applies if you are in it. So if you contract outside and move in with an advance would that count as the "advance" in the RA section?

Hi Hazelbark,

that's what I tried to point out above, the general mouvement section explains that you can use only one section of the mouvement table, that's why I thought what I tried to explain with my poor english wording,even if I understand the point of view of Graham respectfully, the confirmation of the rule authors would have been a great help in clarifying it;

Best regards and all my apologises for my poor wording;

thefrenchjester

Hi,

could we have a clarification from the authors please?
thanks in advance for the reply.

Best regards

thefrenchjester