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Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:52 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Here are screenshots of the updated map with the rail depot.

Western Europe:
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Germany:
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Italy:
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Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:53 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Scandinavia:
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Finland:
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Northern Russia:
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Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:55 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Southern Russia:
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MIddle-East:
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Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:59 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Quite a lot of the cities we've added lately are converted to rail depots because we added them to have rail capacity there.

I moved Vinnitsa (western Russia) and Debrecen (Hungary) slightly because they were located at the wrong hex on the map.

Please take a look and suggest changes if we you see rail depots I have forgotten or changes I have made that should be undone (e. g. turn Reggio back to a city from a rail depot).

I will start updating the language files this evening and then I close the changes so we can have the release this weekend. So please be fast with your comments.

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:08 pm
by timrt
Looks good - I like the symbols.

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:27 pm
by ncali
It looks great! I really like this change. What did you end up doing with the rail depots such as Cherkasy and Kaluga that are in forest. Do they get the terrain modifiers for forest? The same goes for Cernati, Brunn, and Graz in the rough terrain?

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:16 pm
by JimR
Adding El-Arish in the Sinai on the Mediterranean coast would reflect the British railroad line that linked Egypt and Palestine.

Will these rail depots count as cities for entrenchment purposes? (Apologies if the question has been asked and answered already elsewhere.)

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:49 pm
by Schnurri
How about Innsbruck or Salzburg to reflect the "Alpine Redoubt", which never materialized but could have.

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:53 pm
by Schnurri
Should Joensuu remain a city for defensive purposes?

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:58 pm
by Schnurri
Possible addition of Aqaba as port at head of Gulf of Aqaba with transit possible to Red Sea and Persian Gulf?

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:00 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
ncali wrote:It looks great! I really like this change. What did you end up doing with the rail depots such as Cherkasy and Kaluga that are in forest. Do they get the terrain modifiers for forest? The same goes for Cernati, Brunn, and Graz in the rough terrain?
No, but the resource terrain modifier is the same except the armor penalty. Resources have better flak as well.

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:02 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
JimR wrote:Adding El-Arish in the Sinai on the Mediterranean coast would reflect the British railroad line that linked Egypt and Palestine.

Will these rail depots count as cities for entrenchment purposes? (Apologies if the question has been asked and answered already elsewhere.)
No, they get max entrenchment 2 as mines and oilfields. So rail depots will be exactly like these resources unless we alter the values in terrain.txt.

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:03 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Schnurri wrote:How about Innsbruck or Salzburg to reflect the "Alpine Redoubt", which never materialized but could have.
That's a good idea and we can certainly add one of them. Which of these cities were the most important as a rail line. Did the rail line from Germany to Italy go via Innbruck or Salzburg?

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:04 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Schnurri wrote:Possible addition of Aqaba as port at head of Gulf of Aqaba with transit possible to Red Sea and Persian Gulf?
Yes, adding Aqaba can certainly be possible.

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:05 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Schnurri wrote:Should Joensuu remain a city for defensive purposes?
Remember that Finnish units get +1 defense while inside core Finnish units. Joensuu is not big enough to be a city with the new city size limits we have. Let's test it out and see how things go. If the Soviets crush the Finns too early we can then think of something.

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:07 pm
by Schnurri
I believe Innsbruck to Bolzano would be the main rail line to Italy.

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:36 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Schnurri wrote:I believe Innsbruck to Bolzano would be the main rail line to Italy.
Thanks. Then we can add Innsbruck

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:54 pm
by Schnurri
How about adding Caen?

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:20 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Schnurri wrote:How about adding Caen?
Will it actually matter since Cherbourg and Rouen can cover most of the hexes in the Caen area anyway?

I think we need rail depots in hexes where cities can't cover with rail movement and there was rail lines there.

Re: Preview updated map with the new rail depots

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:51 pm
by ncali
One Question: Are rail depots supply sources like cities? I'm assuming they are not.