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Bug: Soviets do not get Romanian oil.
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:32 pm
by Kragdob
I captured Romania and it switched sides. Since now Russia starves for oil if attacked in 1942 it was my first strategic goal.
To my surprise my oil production did not increase at all. Is it a feature or a bug? I have production from Hungarian refinery though.
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:04 pm
by Schnurri
If you bombed it prior to capture it will take a while to restart production? Otherwise, sounds like a bug.
Re: Bug: Soviets do not get Romanian oil.
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:17 pm
by rkr1958
Kragdob wrote:I captured Romania and it switched sides. Since now Russia starves for oil if attacked in 1942 it was my first strategic goal.
To my surprise my oil production did not increase at all. Is it a feature or a bug? I have production from Hungarian refinery though.
Is the oil well damaged? Click on the hex and you'll see something like x/4 PP's. The x is it's current value and if at 0 you won't get any oil until that value increases over time as the oil facility is repaired.
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:41 pm
by Kragdob
The field was not damaged when I took it. Initial USSR oil production is 96. It jumped to 105 when I got War Effort of 130%. Now I have 106 - I'm guessing it's coming from Hungarian oilfield that I got too.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:18 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Who owns the hex? USSR or the western Allies? Romania has surrendered and come back as an Allied country. USSR can't own allies
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:11 am
by Kragdob
Stauffenberg wrote:Who owns the hex? USSR or the western Allies? Romania has surrendered and come back as an Allied country. USSR can't own allies
As you can see above the owner is Romania. I didn't capture the hex and maybe that is the issue? I captured Bucharest and therefore Romania (who was mostly controlled by Axis) switched sides.
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:36 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Romania is controlled by the western Allies and therefore their income will go to UK.
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:49 pm
by Kragdob
Stauffenberg wrote:Romania is controlled by the western Allies and therefore their income will go to UK.
At least we know what nationality was the author of the game

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:04 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
The problem is that the game has only 2 sides (Axis and Allies). Each side has one power in charge that will get control of neutral joining their side. The Axis power in charge is Germany and the Allied is UK. The choice is probably made because those powers are the only ones at war in September 1939.
Ideally the game should have had 3 sides (Allies, Axis and USSR). Then USSR could get control of neutrals. Usually this is a minor issue because USSR will only get control of Romania and Bulgaria late in the war.
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:10 pm
by ncali
If that is the case, I think it would be preferable for Rumania not to switch sides. I know that they did, but they had been nearly defeated (as opposed to Bulgaria). But perhaps there is a clever solution to this.
If Rumania is Western Allied controlled, maybe there could be an automatic transfer of PP's and oil to Russia from the UK.
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:06 pm
by Peter Stauffenberg
Well, the Romanian units will be controlled by the Allied player so they can hurt the Axis.
Russia is getting more PP's from the Allies than the probably got in the real life (Persia, northern convoy). So I don't see a problem here. The only situation would be a Russian player who has burnt most of their oil and would need the Ploesti oil to get going. I've never seen Russia run out of oil in any of my games. I think the German destroyed what they could in Ploesti so Russia wouldn't get use of it for quite some time.
So I propose to leave things as is.
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:07 pm
by Kragdob
Stauffenberg wrote: I've never seen Russia run out of oil in any of my games.
If you start in 1942 with 100 and build up your air and mechanized forces to the max (12) which is not a big problem you will not be able to run this for long. Soviet oil production last for maybe 60-70% of your needs and this is just 1943...
To be honest I never heard of Soviets having problems with oil (on strategic level).