Slitherine

We use Perry miniatures based on the 45mm plastic bases in the boxes (infantry six to a base, four or six bases to a unit). Will our armies be compatible for FoGN?

Standard 28mm bases in FOGN are 60mm wide by 45mm deep - 8 figures to a base and 4 or 6 bases to a unit.
However, You can use 45mm square bases, with 6 figures to a base and 6 or 8 bases to a unit.
and this is allowed for in the rules.

I used this standard in both 15mm and 25mm during most of our testing for the French. This was because most of the existing figures being used were originally based for the Grand Manner rules. I've since rebased my 15mm (but not the 25mm) figures because it gets somewhat confusing using both sets of bases in the same army.

Thanks Terry,

With plastic miniatures on plastic bases bonded by plastic cement, rebasing armies isn't an option!

So a unit using 45mm bases will be 6 bases - both infantry and cavalry?
How are artillery based?

So a unit using 45mm bases will be 6 bases - both infantry and cavalry?
How are artillery based?

For you basing option they will be on 45mm square bases if they fit, and 45mm wide by 60mm deep if you need the extra depth. Units of artillery on these bases will be 3 models for small and 4 for large.


I tend to use 'unit bases' (sabots) for my 15mm figures or 80mm by 60mm (small unit) - which carries them while in the most commonly used formation. I'm no sure how the equivalent 28mm base would work (120mm by 90mm). If using 45mm bases the width would be increase to 135mm, but would be the same for large units.
Small units are far more common than large units for most armies.

We haven't mentioned cavalry, but they would be on the same width with 2 models to a base - which gives 12 models per small unit and 16 per large unit.

I'm halfway through getting an Anglo-Spanish 28mm army pro-painted, and my base sizes and number of figures per base don't quite match what FOG will use.

For example, my infantry units are based 6 figures to a base (rather than FOG's eight figures) and measure 60mm by 40mm (not 60mm by 45mm).

The point of my post is will it really matter very much, as long as:

1. My opponent and I both use the same figure ratios and base sizes.
2. We have the right number of bases per unit.
3. The bases sizes are pretty close to the FOG recommendations?

Obviously sticking with non-FOG base sizing will make meeting other opponents a bit tricky but to be honest that never really happens anyway in my case.

I reckon it won't really make too much difference, but before I get the rest of my army painted it would be great to have some reassurance!

I don't think that 5mm short in debth makes any difference (except perhaps the odd broken bayonet in the rear bases of a unit).

And 6 figures a base is fine - actually preferable in my view. It makes no difference to the game how many fugures are on a base. I have based all my 18mm lads 6 to a base, as have most of our play testing group. 8 can look a bit crowded for 18mm - especially if they are multi-pose - although it is fine for 'true' 15mm.

The multipose victrix british also look better 6 to a base in my view.

Cheers
Brett

So far I have Bavarian Inf (Hat,) Victirix French, Perry French (Greatcoat), French Light Inf (Hat), Connisieur Baden, Offensive French all 8 per 60 x 45 base, Bavarian Cav (Front Rank) 3 per 60 x 45mm base and guns on a 60 x 60 base. I was going for 6 Inf per base but I think the more the merrier!

terrys wrote:Standard 28mm bases in FOGN are 60mm wide by 45mm deep - 8 figures to a base and 4 or 6 bases to a unit.
However, You can use 45mm square bases, with 6 figures to a base and 6 or 8 bases to a unit and this is allowed for in the rules.

I have hundreds of 28mm Russians based for In The Grand Manner (and similar 1:20 scale systems) with infantry on 80x50mm (8 per base), cavalry on 50x50mm (2 per base), artillery models on 50x100mm bases. Re-basing is not an option, so my question is simple: can units based this way be used with these rules?

Thanks in advance.

If you are playing someone who's army is based the same, no problem whatsoever.

If you were going to a tournament however, your basing might be tricky.
Basically a small unit in 28mm has a frontage of 12cm and a large unit 18cm. Your cavalry and artillery could be placed on sabot movement trays and would be fine, likewise for large (18cm) infantry units. Your problem would be with making small infantry units. For these you would need to stretch your 8cm to 12cm by sabot, which may not be as visually appealing as you would like...

Cheers
Brett

I have hundreds of 28mm Russians based for In The Grand Manner (and similar 1:20 scale systems) with infantry on 80x50mm (8 per base), cavalry on 50x50mm (2 per base), artillery models on 50x100mm bases. Re-basing is not an option, so my question is simple: can units based this way be used with these rules?

During testing we used figures that were based for Grand Manner, which states that infantry is 60x40 for 8 figure bases and 45x40 for 6 figure bases. We found that these were perfectly acceptable. We used 6 stands of 6 for small units and 8 stands of 6 for large units. The 8 figure bases are the same as in FOGN. We've even used a mix of the 2 in the same army without prblems.
However - I haven't come across any 80mm wide bases in use with Grand Manner....These would cause a problem in FOGN that requires units with a frontage of approximately 120mm (small) and 180mm (large) for 28mm. the only solution would be to use cut-down bases of 1 or 2 figure frontage to make up the difference.