Slitherine

AA factor is halved during mud/winter season. Since it is purely defensive I think it should stay at the same level all the time.

Reasonable point, but I disagree. If you can't see airplanes because of the cloud cover, you can't shoot them (well, at least not very accurately) either.

metolius wrote:Reasonable point, but I disagree. If you can't see airplanes because of the cloud cover, you can't shoot them (well, at least not very accurately) either.

With such reasoning you could say that defenders could not fight as effectively during winter as during summer because e.g. they could not see attacker behind the snow. Why is not DEF halved then?

Note that low clouds affects air combats same way no matter of the season. During winter you actually are better off in terms of spotting the target as there is less cover and the traces are better visible from the air.

Kragdob wrote: With such reasoning you could say that defenders could not fight as effectively during winter as during summer because e.g. they could not see attacker behind the snow. Why is not DEF halved then?

Why DEF should be halved, can't get it. Defending unit also have reduced attack value, so it will return less damage to attacker with current rules.
Defence is an ability to take damage (both on attack and on defence) I believe.

Plaid wrote:

Kragdob wrote: With such reasoning you could say that defenders could not fight as effectively during winter as during summer because e.g. they could not see attacker behind the snow. Why is not DEF halved then?

Why DEF should be halved, can't get it. Defending unit also have reduced attack value, so it will return less damage to attacker with current rules.
Defence is an ability to take damage (both on attack and on defence) I believe.

I'm just pointing logical inconsequence in metolius's explanation.

I think the idea is that harsh weather impact both attacker & defender but attacker much more and this is why we reduce offensive statistics. Since AA is defensive I think it is mistakenly halved during mud/winter.

We also have to remember that a turn is about 20 days. During that time period when weather is said to be winter you have some days with heavy snow where no air units would fly and other days with sunshine where the air units could fly normally. So the number of sorties would be less and thus you would inflict less damage. Air units are grounded some of the time, but not all the time. The same with mud and severe winter.

Hi there, Kragdob, if you don't like my logic, no worries. I'm not attached to it.

Since you were initially talking about AA, I was just saying that the kind of weather conditions that make attack more difficult in the winter also made defense more difficult. Very roughly speaking, the balance would be the same.

Let's say, for example, US tactical bombers attacking German units on the Western Front in the winter of 1944-5. The weather can be quite mixed – maybe they duck through some cloud cover, find some German units and attack. The Germans have a decent opportunity to shoot back.

Let's say they can't find their targets. They fly home. Meanwhile, the Germans hear the Americans flying around overhead, but there's nothing to shoot at. No damage to either side.

So, if you figure that, on average, there is more mixed weather in the winter than the summer -- that's a big assumption, but that's broadly true in central Europe -- you are going to see less effective air attack and less effective AA defense.

Anyway, like I said, it's not a holy cow for me, so whatever you prefer. Just don't do a poll, for God's sake...

It's a small thing I noticed that does not fit the overall logic, that's all. I see some misunderstanding (I think) so I'm pointing this out.

I'm talking about AA, not air attacks - I completely agree with that air missions will be weaker during winter. My point is that this weakening will be much MORE than weakening of AA guns that are protecting the target. During bad weather you don't shoot because there is no attack, during fair (winter) weather you shoot almost with same effectiveness. Plus, AA is much less affected by other then visibility conditions during bad weather.

I'm not going to make a poll for that I don't like pools I like dictatorship

AT is purely offencive, but it work properly at any weather.
I think its better to accept engine as it is and leave it alone.

Plaid wrote:AT is purely offencive, but it work properly at any weather.
I think its better to accept engine as it is and leave it alone.

AT is both offensive and defensive, at least in the CEAW. For AA it's used in defense only.