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US Team Tournament January 2012

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:55 pm
by hazelbark
As a reminder and we will get more details out there.

January 14-15
Austin, TX
4 rounds
Teams of 4 sorted by chronological periods.
800 points. One list.

If you would like to play and don't have a team we can help find you a match or fill you into a team that needs an extra player.

Results from 2011 can be found here
http://www.greathallgamers.org/forum/fo ... ts=2#M1984

Note the period break betweeen period 1 and 2 has been changeed to 700 BC and earlier is period 1.

Our host and thanks for running the event will be Rob and Great Hall Games.

Please start organizing.


--- In NorthAmericanFoG@yahoogroups.com, "gino_agnelly" <gino> wrote:
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> Ok gang it is time to get the Team Tourney SMACK talk started.
> I hope you all are getting your teams lined up.
>
> Don't forget Rob has stated that the feild will need to be capped at 18 this year (I think I remember that correctly) so it is important that you claim your spot early.
>
> The Beltway Bandits will be there to defend the title.
> SMAC is trying to sneak in and play David to their Goliath.
> Who knows how the Louisiana players will configure themselves this year?
> Will this eventualy be a 15 Texas Teams vs 3 teams from the rest of the US?
>
> Let's all start planning. The bar was set very high last year for what has historically been the most fun event of the gaming year. Let's keep the momentum going.
>
> Gino
> SMAC
>

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:04 pm
by hazelbark
Registration is now open


--- In NorthAmericanFoG@yahoogroups.com, "GHG - Rob" <greathallgames1> wrote:
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> Registration, rules and payment is all available at:
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> http://www.greathallminis.com/events/FO ... =4&start=1
>

Usual 4 person teams spilt by periods.

Those looking to join a team as a free agent, post here and we will try to pair you up.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:45 pm
by GHGAustin
Ha! You beat me to it.

Thanks Dan!

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:59 pm
by babyshark
The Beltway Bandits are signed up, and taking applications for second place. (He said with all due modesty.)

8)

I will be bringing South Hindu to period 3.

Marc

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:31 pm
by nikgaukroger
babyshark wrote:The Beltway Bandits are signed up, and taking applications for second place. (He said with all due modesty.)

Obviously they just want to know who'll be immediately ahead of them ...

BTW Ruddock and I intend to produce our now traditional completely factual, unbiased and well reasoned critique of the lists shortly after the runners and riders are published - assuming that is OK with the organisers, of course. So once again a chance to prove we're talking out of our arses again :lol:

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:11 am
by nikgaukroger
Well I have now received lists from 2 teams for checking - out of the 8 lists only 2 are fully correct :roll: This could be a long checking process :shock:

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:21 pm
by nikgaukroger
US NATIONAL TEAMS TOURNAMENT 2012

Runners and Riders




Bay Area Gamers

Dan Martz Jr Urartian, 710BC
Marco Ulloa Jr Late Republican Roman, 25BC
Dannie Martz Sr Later Welsh (South Welsh), 1100AD
Graham Unger Ghaznavid, 1170AD


Barbarians at the Gates

Hank Esslinger Later Minoan or Early Mycenaean, 1500BC
Rick Harwell Early Successor (Ptolemaic), 200BC
Charles Canfield Late Heian to Muromachi Japanese, 1149AD
William Sierichs Jr Medieval Crown of Aragon, 1390AD


Beltway Bandits

Dan Hazelwood Neo-Assyrian Empire, 702BC
Ethan Zorick Palmyran, 270AD
Marc Crotteau Early Byzantine, 550AD
Bill McCampbell Ordonnance French, 1485AD


Birmingham Bunnies

Lee Cleveland Neo-Assyrian Empire, 703BC
Joey Miller Later Carthaginian, 216BC
Christopher Anders Komnenan Byzantine, 1082AD
Vince Solfronk Later Anglo-Irish, 1399AD


CenTex Comitatus

Chip Miller Median, 701BC
Bob Huey Later Seleucid, 150BC
Everett Chun Carolingian Frankish, 795AD
Alvaro Erize Medieval German City Leagues, 1490AD


Death Panel

Silvio Marra Median, 795BC
James Mundt Principate Roman, 259AD
Chuck Hines Later Welsh (South Welsh), 1149AD
Spike Monahan Santa Hernandad Nueva Castillan, 1492AD


Fantastic Four

Mark Scarborugh Later Mycenaean or Trojan War, 1200BC
John Hovey Late Republican Roman (Brutus & Cassius), 42BC
James Hovey Norman, 999AD
Larry Light Medieval German City Leagues, 1490AD


New England

Bob Rioux Neo-Assyrian Empire, 704BC
Paul Georgian Later Ptolemaic, 130BC
Chris Burr Western Turkish (Khazar), 781AD
Matt Iverson Ordonnance French, 1499AD


SLAKRS

Hilton McManus Early Zhou Chinese, 700BC
Chris Johnston Early Achaemenid Persian, 400BC
Mike McGee Koryo Korean, 1101AD
Walt Burgoyne Medieval German City Leagues, 1488AD


SMAC

Thomas Demers Neo-Hittite and Aramean, 789BC
Rich Olier II Early Successor (Macedon), 279BC
Ricky Jones Sasanid Persian, 550AD
Gino Agnely Ordonnance French, 1492AD


YMCA Vets

Steve Payne Urartian, 714BC
Ryan Payne Early Successor (Seleucid), 275BC
Dave Laureman Hepthalite Huns (In India), 510AD
Dale Shanek Later sicilian, 1235AD


Austin Mercenaries

Dave McLellan Early Skythian, 750BC
Albert DiMarco Mid-Republican Roman, 270BC
Fred Askew Andalusian, 900AD
Vince Oradesky Mongol Conquest, 1220AD


By Pool

Pool 1


Dan Martz Jr Urartian, 710BC
Hank Esslinger Later Minoan or Early Mycenaean, 1500BC
Dan Hazelwood Neo-Assyrian Empire, 702BC
Lee Cleveland Neo-Assyrian Empire, 703BC
Chip Miller Median, 701BC
Silvio Marra Median, 795BC
Mark Scarborugh Later Mycenaean or Trojan War, 1200BC
Bob Rioux Neo-Assyrian Empire, 704BC
Hilton McManus Early Zhou Chinese, 700BC
Thomas Demers Neo-Hittite and Aramean, 789BC
Steve Payne Urartian, 714BC
Dave McLellan Early Skythian, 750BC


Pool 2

Marco Ulloa Jr Late Republican Roman, 25BC
Rick Harwell Early Successor (Ptolemaic), 200BC
Ethan Zorick Palmyran, 270AD
Joey Miller Later Carthaginian, 216BC
Bob Huey Later Seleucid, 150BC
James Mundt Principate Roman, 259AD
John Hovey Late Republican Roman (Brutus & Cassius), 42BC
Paul Georgian Later Ptolemaic, 130BC
Chris Johnston Early Achaemenid Persian, 400BC
Rich Olier II Early Successor (Macedon), 279BC
Ryan Payne Early Successor (Seleucid), 275BC
Albert DiMarco Mid-Republican Roman, 270BC


Pool 3

Dannie Martz Sr Later Welsh (South Welsh), 1100AD
Charles Canfield Late Heian to Muromachi Japanese, 1149AD
Marc Crotteau Early Byzantine, 550AD
Christopher Anders Komnenan Byzantine, 1082AD
Everett Chun Carolingian Frankish, 795AD
Chuck Hines Later Welsh (South Welsh), 1149AD
James Hovey Norman, 999AD
Chris Burr Western Turkish (Khazar), 781AD
Mike McGee Koryo Korean, 1101AD
Ricky Jones Sasanid Persian, 550AD
Dave Laureman Hepthalite Huns (In India), 510AD
Fred Askew Andalusian, 900AD


Pool 4

Graham Unger Ghaznavid, 1170AD
William Sierichs Jr Medieval Crown of Aragon, 1390AD
Bill McCampbell Ordonnance French, 1485AD
Vince Solfronk Later Anglo-Irish, 1399AD
Alvaro Erize Medieval German City Leagues, 1490AD
Spike Monahan Santa Hernandad Nueva Castillan, 1492AD
Larry Light Medieval German City Leagues, 1490AD
Matt Iverson Ordonnance French, 1499AD
Walt Burgoyne Medieval German City Leagues, 1488AD
Gino Agnely Ordonnance French, 1492AD
Dale Shanek Later sicilian, 1235AD
Vince Oradesky Mongol Conquest, 1220AD

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:42 pm
by nikgaukroger
And now the really important bit - the Ruddock & Gaukroger in depth (erm), unbiased (cough) and most definitely objective (ahem) commentary on the armies selected. Read on ...



BAGS

Dan Martz Jr - Urartian: [DR]This looks similar to the Urartian I use, so by definition it has to be brilliant :) A word of warning to Dan - this list is very powerful but requires careful handling. Can Junior carry it off? [NG] Urartian is an obvious choice for this pool and quite hard to cock up, and Dan hasn’t. Dull though.

Marco Ulloa Jr - Later Republican Roman: [DR] Has managed to avoid the all too obvious problems with the list and needs to try hard to force the pace. My guess is that this is an army destined for draws. [NG] LRR is the real man’s Roman army of choice, and Marco has avoided the traps the list sets for the unwary or over-optimistic. Can be hard as nails, but in which case it can usually be avoided leading to Benny Hill games, however, given the ploddy nature of the armies in this pool it should be a solid choice.

Dan Martz Sr - Later Welsh (South Welsh): [DR] Against some opponents this army is quite powerful. Against most opponents this army can really only be described as a speed bump. [NG] Lots of cheap longbowmen available make this a reasonable choice for a pool where cavalry armies can be expected, however, needs a bit of terrain otherwise it can be rolled over. Need to know what you’re doing – does Dan?

Graham Unger - Ghaznavid: [DR] An interesting take on the Arab type army. Designed for use in period, this army could cause significant problems against the usual suspects. [NG] Unusual, possibly brave possibly inspired, choice for this pool. I like the options chosen, but it will need to be used with skill or the general can look foolish (like Dave calling it Arab when Turkish is more appropriate).

We suspect a mixed bag for this team... If it all fires it could surprise and give somebody a real kicking. Alternatively it could be on the end of a real pasting.

Barbarians At The Gates

Hank Esslinger – Later Minoan or Early Mycenaean: [DR] On the face of it this is a very simple army, but it requires quite a bit of skill to make it effective. [NG] More interesting than most of the armies chosen in this pool, alas it is in general a below par army. The list choices made fall down in a couple of places meaning it may well struggle.

Rick Harwell - Early Successor (Ptolemaic): [DR] Bit unusual, seems to have avoided the pit traps associated with armies of this type, but in my opinion will struggle to force a result. [NG] Normally a poor choice as it can be danced around far too easily, however, with the enemies in the pool this may be avoided.

Charles Canfield - Later Heian to Muromachi Japanese: [DR] Definite candidate for first to the bar. [NG] Either a choice of irrational brilliance, or just plain awful. Suspect the latter. Could look very pretty though.

Bill Sierichs Jr - Medieval Crown of Aragon: [DR]The army is solid enough though, a touch of "jack of all trades", so may struggle to hold off more numerous opponents. [NG] The Oafs of Futility version is better.

Can't see the Barbarians causing a panic in Rome, but should be mid table.

Beltway Bandits

Dan Hazelwood - Neo Assyrian Empire: [DR] A solid list with similar toys to the last one, with experience in the period and a good list I expect this to be near the top of the pile. [NG] Dull and predictable choice, but good enough in Dan’s hands to do well. May be trying to be a touch too clever with the list though.

Ethan Zorick - Palmyran: [DR] Palmyran can be vulnerable and with a couple of setbacks can become a real problem - can Ethan get the right troops in the right place at the right time? [NG] Presumably chosen on the basis that Mr Z could choose an army commander whose name begins with Z (and that possibly Ethan has taken up cross-dressing). Will be able to dance around the rest of the pool so shouldn’t lose a game, but some dodgy list choices in here.

Marc Crotteau - Early Byzantine: [DR] The one bandit who didn't roll over and die horribly in Lisbon in 2011, finishing mid-table. This army will need to win quickly as it won't win a war of attrition. [NG] Marc returns to an old favourite. A perfectly good choice for this pool but vulnerable to a string of poor dice.

Bill McCampbell - Ordonnance French: [DR] This army can pick itself and is full of nice toys. No mistakes made and I expect this to be in contention for the top. [NG] A real tournament tiger army this one, does well in the hands of a good player, but can fall apart badly if the player is not so good. List more or less picks itself, but an odd choice or two in there IMO.

As ever, the team to beat, even carrying a passenger or two.

Bunnies from Birmingham

Lee Cleveland - Neo Assyrian Empire: [DR] Another solid Neo Assyrian list. Can Lee do as well as Dan? [NG] Sensible but dull. Will do OK.

Joey Miller - Later Carthaginian (Hannibal in Italy): [DR] I suspect this army may be on the receiving end of some hidings. The support troops simply aren't up to the task - this will be a death of a thousand cuts. [NG] With a Hannibalic touch this could do well against its rather ploddy opponents in the pool, or it could just crash on the rocks. Is Joey up to it?

Christopher Anders - Komnenan Byzantine: [DR]A bold choice, but I suspect will not be able to force a fight when it wants to. Will then suffer as the support troops can't handle the job. [NG] Brave, but I fear flawed, choice. One massive list cock-up has rendered this list much less effective that it should be.

Vince Solfronk - Later Anglo-Irish: [DR] Potentially a very powerful list, but very unforgiving. If deployment is bad then this army won't be able to re-deploy, but if match-ups are right this army can monster most opponents. [NG] Solid army with sensible choices, put them in the right place and you can beat most opponents in this pool.

Will the bunnies name be well chosen? Surprisingly not - we suspect they could do well and claim a podium place, alternatively we have misjudged them badly.

Central Texas

Chip Miller - Median: [DR] A very average list (boom boom). This army looks good on paper, but against the opponents it is likely to face will suffer, rarely gaining a POA and relying on luck to survive the impact phase. Lacks the punch needed in this period. [NG] Some very interesting choices made, possibly one big flaw, but the opponents in the pool may not be able to exploit it. Bold, but controlled handling could bring great rewards and upset more obvious choices.

Bob Huey – Later Seleucid: [DR] This army is as good as Seleukids get, but still suffers from the problems of being expensive, slow and small. In period, may get into a fight, which would be good. Bit of a drawmeister army though. [NG] Solid if uninspired – fits into the pool well.

Everett Chunn - Carolingian Frankish: [DR] This army is about as subtle as a brick. I really can't see a plan 'B', so let's just hope plan 'A' works eh? Going to either win or lose, with no draws involved. [NG] Will struggle IMO. Everett likely to be first in his team to the bar, possibly to meet Charles from the Barbarians for a drink or three.

Alvaro Erize - Medieval German City League (North German): [DR] I've seen this army at 900 pts where it is effective, the 800 pt version looks like it needs another 100 pts to make it work... [NG] No idea what anyone sees in this army at all. Dull, ploddy and all too likely to chase shadows for 3 hours or be an option for King of the Corner. Sorry, Alvaro, don’t like it.

Only two types of people come from Texas..... suspect this will be on the receiving end unless Chip and Everett come up trumps. No pressure lads ...

Death Panel

Sylvio Marra - Median: [DR] I rate this average army as better than the Texas average army, but still suffers from the same problems. [NG] Avoided the issue I have with the Texas version, but has oddities of its own. However, as with the above could be the downfall of more obvious choices.

James Mundt – Principate Roman – [DR] Principates were once described as a "Hamstrung Dominate Roman". Nothing I've seen disputes this statement. [NG] Although it is in many ways the archetypical Roman army (think Asterix) it isn’t often seen on table, lacking the potential focus of the Late Republican or the cheesiness of the Dom Rom. This list is a fair stab at an army, however, its weaknesses could let it down, although like others in this pool it may get away with them due to the lack of opponents who can really exploit them.

Chuck Hines - Later Welsh (South Welsh): [DR] The same problems as the other Later Welsh army. [NG] Same comments as with the BAGS one.

Spike Monahan - Santa Hermandad Nueva Castilian: [DR] An army that needs to be better than the sum of its parts. At least in theory, if handled well, with all the troops complimenting each other this can be very potent. Otherwise it is a conglomerate rabble that can be taken out piecemeal. Which will Spike achieve? [NG] Spike continues with the original morally bankrupt army. Didn’t do well last year, can see no reason why it should do better this time around. What was that about not reinforcing failure …

Looks like this team will define mid-table mediocrity.

Fantastic Four

Mark Scarborough - Later Mycenaean or Trojan (Achaian): [DR] An interesting choice, but I have the feeling it will be overwhelmed by more armies in period. [NG] One of those armies that looks attractive in the lists, but doesn’t quite cut it on table. Can Mark raise it above mediocrity?

John Hovey - Later Republican Roman (Brutus & Cassius): [DR] Another army that could end up chasing thin air – it takes a master to manage to get the best out of the list – can John manage?[NG] The second real man’s army in the pool, alas has fallen into some of the traps for the unwary. Won’t do as well as the BAGS version.

James Hovey - Norman: [DR] This is not an army that is going to die wondering....I like the choice and will be interesting to see how it fares. [NG] Winner of this year’s Balls of Steel Award. Like the style.

Larry Light - Medieval German City League (North German): Slightly better than the other German, but still 100 pts short. [NG] Different, but no better, than the Texas version.

The Fantastic Four may well be fourth, or maybe not.

New England

Bob Rioux – Neo-Assyrian Empire: [DR] Another well constructed Assyrian - I sense an interesting mini-tournament developing here. [NG] Good army like the other Assyrians.

Paul Georgian - Later Ptolemaic: [DR] An army with a plan, unfortunately, I don't think that plan will work against the other armies in period. This may take quite a kicking. [NG] Has fallen into the classic trap for a Hellenistic army, fortunately for Paul the opponents in the pool can’t exploit it.

Chris Burr - Western Turkish (Khazar): [DR] A nice army that should do well if handled carefully. This army should do well. [NG] An army I’ve always liked and a good version of it as well. In theory should get good results.

Matt Iverson - Ordonnance French: [DR] I don't like the way this army is constructed and I think it will struggle as a consequence. [NG] Good player with an army for a good player. Will do well, could top his pool.

Touch of disagreement by the judges here. One says New England may struggle with results like a bag of nails, whilst the other thinks they could put in a strong performance if Burr and Iverson deliver.

SLAKRS

Hilton McManus - Early Zhou: [DR] An army that will work better out of period, it has the toys to do well, but there aren't enough of them. I also think it will struggle against Assyrians and since there are quite a few of those... [NG] The list confused Hilton, no doubt playing it will as well. Another one that looks better on paper than on the table.

Chris Johnston - Early Achaemenid Persian: [DR] Well somebody had to take one... a solid enough list, it will be difficult to beat, but also be difficult to win with. [NG] The good old 479BC version is definitely out of favour stateside. This one is safer, but probably can’t string a series of good results together.

Mike McGee - Koryo Korean: [DR] An interesting army that has the potential to do well, needs to be careful though as it can all fall apart very quickly. [NG] Used by a Beltway degenerate last year when we described it as almost a good army, but not quite. No change of opinion here.

Walt Burgoyne - Medieval German City League: [DR] Obviously there is something in this army that I am missing.... This version has the strategic vision of Blind Pew and the tactical awareness of a lemming. [NG] I can only assume Walt is using this for a bet, possibly one Hilton has fooled him into. Bad version of a poor army.

A team destined to be fighting in the relegation places. And that's without Hilton's hindrance.

SMAC

Thomas Demers - Neo Hittite and Aramean: [DR] Looks solid enough and will challenge the Assyrians, despite the author being unable to spell chariots... [NG] Appears to have been designed to fight Assyrians, which it can do OK against if the player has a suitable plan. However, it has limitations. Do you have a plan Thomas?

Rich Olier - Early Successor (Macedon): [DR] I suspect another army that looks solid on paper, but will get shredded by the opposition. [NG] Likely to do OK because Americans don’t seem to take the armies to shred these Hellenistics.

Ricky Jones - Sassanid Persian: [DR] An army where the author appears to have changed his mind halfway through the design over what it is trying to be. I don't think the army supports itself particularly well and will struggle in consequence. [NG] Definite loss of focus when writing this list, with some BGs that just don’t fit in. Should not do well, however, as we know that Rickaaaaaay has sold his soul to the dark powers in return for dice luck, it will do far better than it should.

Gino Agnely - Ordonnance French: [DR] I don't like this version of Ordonnance French either, as there it suffers from the same issues as the New England version. [NG] A good list for a good player. Alas, Gino is using it …

Can SMAC repeat their surprise of last year? I don't think so given the evidence. 2011 may have been their high point.

YMCA Vets

Steve Payne - Urartian: [DR] Following his experiences at Lisbon 2010 Steve has abandoned his Hittites and nicked one of the Urartian armies he played against - but which one! Steve has a plan with this army, but will he be able to pull it off? [NG] Least good of the Urartians. Suspect Steve chose the wrong one.

Ryan Payne - Early Successor (Seleucid): [DR] Yet another Early Successor? I don't see the appeal, I like this version the best of the Early Successor bunch, but still think it will struggle against non-Early Successors. [NG] Best, and most imaginative, of the Hellenistics chosen. Will do better than his dad …

Dave Lauerman - Hephthalite Hunnic (In India): [DR] It's a different army, will be difficult to beat but has a slight chance of winning, along the lines of 10% I win, 90% I draw. [NG] Imaginative choice which could pay dividends with careful management. I like it. Would have liked it even more in pool 2 …

Dale Shanek - Later Sicilian: [DR] An army with a plan in mind and I think it might work if played well. Could go very wrong very quickly though. [NG] Again some imagination has gone into this choice, pity I don’t like it and think it may well come badly unstuck.

A solid set of lists that should do well and be challenging come Sunday, probably the most likely to unseat the Bandits from top of the pile.

Mercenaries

We have been asked not to provide comments as the players have been drafted in at last minute and fall more into the social players bracket. However, it must be noted that the army lists provided are better than some of the other dodgy offerings given months to plan ahead …



Overall

1. Bandits (Hazelwood and McCampbell will carry Crotteau and Zorick to victory)
2. YMCA Vets
3. Bunnies from Birmingham

Outsiders: New England (Iverson and Burr could carry them a long way)

Potential spoiler: if BAGS get it right they could give anybody a seriously bad day



Pool Summary

Pool 1


Urartian
Later Minoan or Early Mycenaean
Neo-Assyrian Empire
Neo-Assyrian Empire
Median
Median
Later Mycenaean or Trojan war
Neo-Assyrian Empire
Early Zhou Chinese
Neo-Hittite and Aramean
Urartian
Early Skythian

8 different armies from 12 isn’t at all bad for a pool taken from just one book, although it could be suggested that the Assyrians and Urartians are fairly similar lists, so 5 from the 11 may well look quite samey. The Medians are the ones that might cause upsets.


Pool 2

Late Republican Roman
Early Successor
Palmyran
Later Carthaginian
Later Seleucid
Principate Roman
Late Republican Roman
Later Ptolemaic
Early Achaemenid Persian
Early Successor
Early Successor
Mid- Republican Roman

Although there are 9 different armies in the 12 all the Hellenistic ones are from the same mould, and the Romans have similarities. All the armies are very much from the Classical period and the Mediterranean, more or less. Whilst this could be said to be a good thing as it is the core period of ancient history, it seems to show the lack of imagination that afflicted this period at the 2011 ITC, although the avoidance of the Dom Roms is to be applauded. But why, for example, no Bosporans, which can smack most of the armies taken?


Pool 3

Later Welsh
Early Byzantine
Komnenan Byzantine
Carolingian Frankish
Later Welsh
Norman
Western Turkish
Koryo Korean
Sasanid Persian
Hepthalite Huns
Andalusian

11 armies from 12 teams shows this to be the period where most imagination has been spent, although some could be said to have similarities in very general terms. The main theme appears to be riding to war on 4 legs rather than marching on 2.


Pool 4

Ghaznavid
Medieval Crown of Aragon
Ordonnance French
Later Anglo-Irish
Medieval German City Leagues
Sant Hernandad Nueva Castillan
Medieval German City Leagues
Ordonnance French
Medieval German City Leagues
Ordonnance French
Later Sicilian
Mongol Conquest

8 different armies from 12 looks OK. Having 3 of the French makes sense as it is a good competition army, 3 of the Germans much less so. Biggest surprise may well be the lack of any Ottomans.


Overall

Given that this is a very competitive tournament we are a bit shocked that some of the perceived “Big Hitters” appear to be missing. Bosporan, Later Ottoman Turkish, Hungarian, Dom Rom and Seljuq Turk are all not present, which is a big surprise. Have people perhaps outwitted themselves? There are good reasons why these armies are good performers. On the plus side there does seem to be a wide range of armies used, apart from perhaps in period 2, where they are pretty much of a muchness for reasons we cannot fathom.

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:04 am
by philqw78
Well IMO just by army (I haven't seen the lists*)

Period 1
Up and down like the Assyrian Empire, and they should crucify their opponents. Urartian is good but not the best in period

Period 2
As wide open as Nell Gwynn. But Palmyrans should have her.

Period 3
The best army out of this lot could only fail due to the loss of its Dear Leader. (Hopefully the camp will represent this great loss to the DEMOCRATIC world.) A favourite (favorite) of mine. The Huns tho will be hard to beat.

Period 4
An army of cheese eating surrender monkeys should win. But obviously won't after what I just said. Some sausage eaters may sort them out, again.

'cos I'm not Nik's bum chum

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:08 am
by philqw78
On a personal front I would like to see YMCA Vets win as Steve is the only spam that can drink and I would love to meet his son.

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:35 am
by Scrumpy
I heard Marc C was buffing up this year fully expecting to carry Hazelwood ?

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:58 am
by dave_r
philqw78 wrote:On a personal front I would like to see YMCA Vets win as I would love to meet Steve's son.
So whose bum chum are you?

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:43 am
by nikgaukroger
dave_r wrote:
philqw78 wrote:On a personal front I would like to see YMCA Vets win as I would love to meet Steve's son.
So whose bum chum are you?

Dan "Camel-fancier" Hazelwood's from what I hear ...

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:03 pm
by Scrumpy
Explains why Dan lives a mere 15 minutes from Washington DC zoo !

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:10 pm
by philqw78
dave_r wrote:So whose bum chum are you?
The state you were in during the ITC you could have been International Team Bummed champion and you wouldn't have known. The whole American team lasted longer than you at the bar. The Shame.

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:24 pm
by zoltan
dave_r wrote:
philqw78 wrote:On a personal front I would like to see YMCA Vets win as I would love to meet Steve's son.
So whose bum chum are you?
Don't arsk, don't tell! Phil may care to edit his post. :?

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:09 pm
by hazelbark
Results
Complete Results are located here:
http://www.greathallgamers.org/forum/fo ... ts=1#M5899

Awards Pictures:
http://www.greathallgamers.org/forum/ph ... lbumid=116

Team Final Scores

Bay Area Gamers 265.7
Beltway Bandits 244.9
SMAC 238.7
SLAKRS 209.9
YMCA Veterans 203.1
New England 196.4
Birmingham Bunnies 196.1
Death Panel 179.9
Fantastic Four 166
CenTex Comitatus 155.1
Barbarians 101.7
Austin Mercenaries 72

Individual Player Rankings within Period:

Period 1 - Biblical

Thomas Demers 73.1
Hilton McManus 70.7
Dan Hazelwood * 65.7
Dan Martz, Jr. 65
Silvio Mara* 63.7
Steve Payne* 60.2
Lee Cleveland 45.2
Mark Scarbrough 36.3
Bob Rioux 35.4
Chip Miller 19.7
Dave McLellan 17.3
Hank Esslinger 12.7

Period 2 - Classical

Marco Ulloa Jr 78.4
Ethan Zorick 64.8
Rich Olier 61.2
Joey Miller 58.6
Chris Johnston* 55
Bob Huey* 51.3
Paul Georgian 41.1
Ryan Payne 39.8
Lance White 33.8
James Mundt 33.1
Rick Harwell* 21
Albert DiMarco 11.9

Period 3 - Dark Ages

Ricky Jones 86.7
Dave Lauerman 70.2
Dannie Martz Sr* 66.9
Mike McGee 59.5
Christopher Anders* 55.6
Chris Burr 48.2
Fred Askew, Kevin Stork 41.6
Marc Crotteau 41
Chuck Hines 38.8
James Hovey 34.9
Charles Canfield 14.7
Everett Chun 6.9

Period 4 - Medieval

Alvaro Erize 77.2
Bill McCampbell 73.4
Matt Iverson* 71.7
Larry Light 61
Graham Unger 55.4
Bill Seirichs 53.3
Spike Monahan 44.3
Vince Solfronk 36.7
Dale Shanek 32.9
Walt Burgoyne 24.7
Gino Agnelly* 17.7
Vince Oradesky 1.2

*Team Captain

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:06 pm
by babyshark
As we have come to expect this was a very well run event, as well as a heap of fun. Full props to Rob and Great Hall Games for making it work so well.

Congratulations to the Bay Area Gamers for mastering the submarine strategy. They earned their medals with a series of decisive wins after the initial hiccup. Well done, lads.

As an aside, the Beltway Bandits were as pleased as could be to see the warm, smiling reactions that our banner brought out in people. Especially Steve Payne. Although, on reflection, his smile looked more like a rictus grin of seething envy and hatred. Which gave us a warm, smiling reaction. :twisted:

Thanks again to Rob.

Marc

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:48 pm
by DrQuahog
It is fascinating to see that, if I read the results correctly, the army most responsible for determining the winner was the army of Caesar, that much maligned mob which drew so many of us into the hobby, and has served as the 'Boggle playing chicken' of Ancients tournaments since time immemorial. :!: