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Come on without ... come on within ...

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:34 pm
by khurasan_miniatures
... you've not seen nothing like the mighty Qing ....

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Mike Broadbent is making Qing Dynasty Chinese for us. Very pleased with his first model, a spearman. The rest of the range will be made in the next week or so and we should have them available for purchase by October or so.

The first offerings will be:

General and standardbearer
Manchu bannermen (armoured horse archers)
Mongol bannermen (unarmoured horse archers)
Green Standard troops (unarmoured infantry in a set as below)
Tigermen (unarmoured men with a large shield and a sword)
Jingal with two crewmen


The first batch of Green Standard infantry will be archers as these were still the most numerous infantry type in the army -- the matchlockmen get all the mentions but that's because they existed at all, not because they were the standard footmen!

The infantry unit will have three spearmen, three trident men, and eighteen archers. This allows the gamer to have the front rank stands with half close combat men and half archers, with the rear ranks entirely archers, to represent front rank Bow LS and rear rank Bow. I’ve been devastatingly cunning and had the spearman made so he can double as a standardbearer if you want one.

The Tigermen in the 17th century seem to have been typical infantry with shields painted with tiger faces on them, rather than wearers of tiger suits, which apparently came in the later 18th or 19th century (as an 18th century image shows them without suit also).

I had wanted to make a native army for Colonies and Conquest, as I have (or have planned) multiple native armies for Cities of Gold, but not a one for C&C. Qing seemed to make the most sense as the models can be used right up to the Opium War and Taiping Rebellion more or less without modification. I was very pleased when Duncan Head provided an image of Chinese infantry from 1644 showing Nurhaci entering a city he’d just taken by siege and the infantry looked just like an image from the late 19th century showing Green Standard men fighting Muslim rebels – including the disk medallion on the front and back of the jacket and the cloth tassets! (Duncan wants armoured infantry too, as are often shown, but this is usually either in court or in a siege, so it was my opinion that these are dismounted Manchu bannermen and the list writers seem to have felt the same way.)

Imagine my surprise when I came onto the board and read that the Qing were doing well for themselves in tourney! The Empire strikes back!

I’m looking forward to seeing the rest of the models ….

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:42 pm
by Delbruck
Everyone going to want one (army), it's the latest rage :D

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:35 pm
by khurasan_miniatures
Look out, you pike blocks! ;) The infantry unit's components. Tigermen being made now, jingals, cavalry and command to follow.

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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:07 pm
by timmy1
Nice...

While I am of an age to appreciate the humour of the thread title (actually I am REALLY impressed by it) my wife did not quite so much...

Will the artillery be ready in time for filling Wargamer's Christmas stockings? If so, will you announce them with Jingals Bells... Jingals Bells...?

Just a thought.

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:48 pm
by khurasan_miniatures
Oh dear, timmy! Perhaps I'm showing my years too clearly.

For those who might not have got the (admittedly lame) joke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIQLIx2Onw

I certainly hope to have them jingalling all the way by the holidays.

I noticed that I have just turned into a Panzer IIIL. Too bad, at least my last avatar was a man on a horse with a rifle -- I thought that rather poetic as it was my avatar when I previewed the TYW mounted arquebusiers....

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:33 pm
by Scrumpy
I bet you get complaints about the archers being too cheap ;)

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:03 pm
by khurasan_miniatures
From your lips to God's ears! :D

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:01 pm
by madaxeman
FWIW, The Chinese troops that seem to be missing (in the world) are chaps with arquebus.

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:16 pm
by khurasan_miniatures
madaxeman wrote:FWIW, The Chinese troops that seem to be missing (in the world) are chaps with arquebus.
khurasan_miniatures wrote:
The first batch of Green Standard infantry will be archers as these were still the most numerous infantry type in the army -- the matchlockmen get all the mentions but that's because they existed at all, not because they were the standard footmen!

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:12 pm
by Delbruck
All questions are answered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5aRqCFik78

Well, not really. After a while, I lost track of the sides.

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:48 pm
by khurasan_miniatures
Next preview--

"Jingal all the way ..."

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Yes, not a great image, but I think you can still make the basics out.

The line is done and frankly the models are superb, I couldn't be happier with them. Hope to have them by early October then it's off to the casters.