Slitherine

Are these going to be assumed to have dismounted before the battle or will there be rules in place?

We find no evidence for mounted infantry in tactical situations. They seem to be much more to do with campaign mobility.

As a result they will be dealt with properly for compaing purposes when we do the supplement and they are defined just as infantry in the lists for on table purposes.

Si

I reluctantly have to agree with this approach despite the duplicate Arab mounted archer and swordsman figures I commissioned from Outpost and the other mounted archers I have which will have no home in AoW

shall wrote:We find no evidence for mounted infantry in tactical situations. They seem to be much more to do with campaign mobility.

As a result they will be dealt with properly for compaing purposes when we do the supplement and they are defined just as infantry in the lists for on table purposes.

Si

What about Potiers, pivotal battle of the 100YW ?

Or the battle of the herings - a not so well known but also pivotal battle......

tadamson wrote:

shall wrote:We find no evidence for mounted infantry in tactical situations. They seem to be much more to do with campaign mobility.

As a result they will be dealt with properly for compaing purposes when we do the supplement and they are defined just as infantry in the lists for on table purposes.

Si

What about Potiers, pivotal battle of the 100YW ?

I thought Crecy was the pivotal battle?
Poitiers came after Crecy & the French *still* didn't learn the lesson taking on the English & Welsh Longbowmen. The difference at Poitiers was that they dismounted, but it didn't help any - the English remounted their Knights & just cut them down!


Cheers,
Jer

That's a terribly simplistic take on things!

i do believe there weer both mounted and dismounted troops in hte French army at Poitier - afte all at least 1 English source states that the front armour of the German horses was invulnerable to the English archers so they moved around the flank to shoot at their rear.

At Agincourt mud and geography were much more important than the bowmen, while at Crecy the French managed 16 charges uphill over the potholes - ain't too many rules let them do that in the face of they mythical english archer-machine-guns!!

I like the idea of ending or radically limiting the battlefield mobility of so called mounted infantry. I think some other rules have really overstated the ability to scoot around on horses. Even where infantry rode mounted to the battle, they did not remount and move about the battlefield. You have some skirmisher but not mutli-hundred/thousand man formations.


So is dismounting going to be allowed and how hard?

Indeed. Don't take the lack of mounted infantry as being no dismouting.

But we take a firm view that dismounting is a big decision to be done early and not really a hop on hop off type of concept. We are not dealing with a mounted army of Legolas' mounted bowmen here. I am not a hisotry guru for the medieval period so would need ot leave the details on the battles mentioned ot Rchard and others.

As a result...

At the end of deployment troops able to dismount are allowed to do so. So you make your choices on thsi once and for all after seeing the terrain and the opposing army. This seems the most realistic type of mechanism...discuss...

Si

The key point about Potiers was that the Anglo-Gascon infantry also remounted to charge the French.

tadamson wrote:The key point about Potiers was that the Anglo-Gascon infantry also remounted to charge the French.

We are of the view that most such cases in fact occurred after the point where under the rules the enemy army would already have been defeated. Therefore it is unnecessary to represent such behaviour in the rules because it happens after the game has ended.

The result of including remounting in a set of rules is a lot of very unhistorical cheesy on table behaviour.

We have taken a step back from the "must include anything that ever happened" approach, and tried to write a set of rules that encourage historical tactics and behaviour.

'tis a good and sound approach...

We intend to re-introduce the more unusual events in our planned campaign supplement. These will include rules for pursuits - which will have to allow for remounting.