Slitherine

The armies covered by Colonies and Conquest are not generally the sort of armies I would choose but they present an interestingly varied selection that is very different from what is in the first 3 books. The Chinese style mixed battle groups are an interesting innovation.

The quality seems to be the highest of all the volumes so far and I learnt a lot about the history of the period. Even though I will probably use only one, or at most 2, of the armies I do find it an interesting book and am really glad I purchased it.

I'd agree, although some of the choices seem rather arbitrary. Why are the middle eastern armies in this book instead of with the Ottomans? How come Thai, Burmese and Khmer - all who have separate lists in Ancients, now can share a list?

It also seems we are missing colonial Spanish?

azrael86 wrote:It also seems we are missing colonial Spanish?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas

Hence the Colonial Spanish are in "Cities of Gold"

This is a well presented book. I may quibble a bit over the Ming/Manchu lists but I am building a Ming army to fight the Japanese in Korea. I know from a couple of traders that they are getting a rush of orders for armies in this book. Well done FOGR

rbodleyscott wrote:

azrael86 wrote:It also seems we are missing colonial Spanish?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas

Hence the Colonial Spanish are in "Cities of Gold"

I was thinking we might have a Phillippine version.

What happened to Siamese? Its such a great army in DBr!

burnsibub wrote:What happened to Siamese?

Siamese = Thai

rbodleyscott wrote:

azrael86 wrote:It also seems we are missing colonial Spanish?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas

Hence the Colonial Spanish are in "Cities of Gold"

RBS, taking his marching orders from the pope again!

While I agree one is taking his orders from the other, just not sure you have it the right way round...

bit disappointed that mughals don't get to upgrade to muskets in 17th c a la Gush because their gunpowder is rubbish
still they get to field average cavalry instead of all superior saving points as an option
and elephants are optional (but what self respecting mughal general won't field at least 2 nellies)

If elephants get in they are all but unstoppable it seems. Nothing apart form 4 deep pike or spear get a poa v them in melee.

If elephants get in they are all but unstoppable

A pretty big "if" really given the shooting POA's and death rolls. Still I suppose you can always hope you are out on a flank against only mounted who cant shoot!

Martin

The Elephant armies get plenty of LF to absorb musketry. OK artillery might be a problem, but a good player will ensure their is enough crap to get shot at to protect the big grey beasties.

Scrumpy wrote:The Elephant armies get plenty of LF to absorb musketry. OK artillery might be a problem, but a good player will ensure their is enough crap to get shot at to protect the big grey beasties.

I think you are over-reacting to one tercio vs 2 BGs of Elephants.


I think Elephants are a threat, but not certain how serious.

timmy1 wrote:The armies covered by Colonies and Conquest are not generally the sort of armies I would choose but they present an interestingly varied selection that is very different from what is in the first 3 books. The Chinese style mixed battle groups are an interesting innovation.

The quality seems to be the highest of all the volumes so far and I learnt a lot about the history of the period. Even though I will probably use only one, or at most 2, of the armies I do find it an interesting book and am really glad I purchased it.

I am interested in the Colonial armies, the Dutch mainly, but are there many figures available for this period, in particular mid to late 17th century? Any idea of manufacturers for late 17th century Dutch colonials or likely looking substitutes (in 15mm)? Unfortunately I'm not sure that too many of the Colonies and Conquest armies will feature on the battlefield.

davids wrote: I am interested in the Colonial armies, the Dutch mainly, but are there many figures available for this period, in particular mid to late 17th century? Any idea of manufacturers for late 17th century Dutch colonials or likely looking substitutes (in 15mm)? Unfortunately I'm not sure that too many of the Colonies and Conquest armies will feature on the battlefield.

Yep, I think that is an intriguing one and there are a few others around that are of interest. As I dug through the lists hard I found a few more, but they look very vulnerable without terrain.

Grumpy's has some figures I think.