Slitherine

I saw about a week ago that this became available for pre order on Book Depository (about 140 days to go). Is there a list of the armies contained somewhere?

Martin

marty wrote:I saw about a week ago that this became available for pre order on Book Depository (about 140 days to go). Is there a list of the armies contained somewhere?

ARAWAK
CARIB
AZTEC
TRIPLE ALLIANCE ALLIES
CENTRAL AMERICAN ALLIES
TLAXCALAN, HUAXTEC OR OTOMI
TARASCAN
ZAPOTEC OR MIXTEC
CHINANTEC
MAYAN
INCA
MAPUCHE OR ARAUCANIAN
AMAZONIAN FOREST TRIBES
TUPI
PUEBLO CULTURE
CHICHIMEC
NATCHEZ
SOUTH-EASTERN WOODLAND CULTURE
TIMUCUAN
EASTERN WOODLAND CULTURE
PLAINS CULTURE
PACIFIC NORTH-WEST CULTURE
COLONIAL SPANISH
DUTCH OR ENGLISH COLONIAL AMERICAN
COLONIAL FRENCH
ENGLISH WEST INDIES EXPEDITION
BUCCANEER
OROMO
WEST SUDANESE
CENTRAL AFRICAN
IMBANGALA OR ZIMBA ALLIES
CENTRAL SUDANESE
FUNJ OR FUR
WEST AFRICAN FOREST
MOSSI
TUAREG
Aviz Portuguese (These actually belong to Trade & Treachery, but were inadvertently omitted from that volume)

Thanks,

I love the idea of a book of lists with so many armies I have never heard of! I can already hear the comments when someone turns up at a convention with a "Fur" army

Martin

When is this book due out ? And how do the Eastern Woodland Indians fare ?

Scrumpy wrote:When is this book due out ?

20th July according to amazon.co.uk

And how do the Eastern Woodland Indians fare ?

Very well, particularly the Iroquois. Early on they can be armoured. Later on they can have lots of LF with Musket, and Warrior BGs with Impact Foot,Swordsmen and front rank with Musket. (Or whole BG Bow*, Impact Foot, Swordsmen)

Sounds like even John Wayne would struggle with them RBS, looking forward to seeing the lists.

Hi

Any chance of getting a list of the armies to be included in Colonies and Conquest and Duty and Glory ?

Many thanks
Ian

How many LF muskets are allowed in the list ? Will try to get a head start & order some.

Scrumpy wrote:How many LF muskets are allowed in the list ? Will try to get a head start & order some.

Up to 36 bases (Iroquois from 1648, others from 1668).

I am going to try out (mocked up) Iroquois vs a normal (non-colonial) European army tomorrow, to see how viable they might be in open competition. Will let you know how they get on.

rbodleyscott wrote:I am going to try out (mocked up) Iroquois vs a normal (non-colonial) European army tomorrow, to see how viable they might be in open competition. Will let you know how they get on.

Not a great success for the Iroquois against Later ECW Royalists with 7 BGs of Cavaliers. The poor old Iroquois could not cope against these - the Bow*, Impact, Foot, Swordsmen Warriors even being disadvantaged in a plantation against the Armoured ones! (The ones with muskets would have coped better as their muskets would have cancelled out armour advantage).

Surely some of these aren't armies at all but are brands of chocolate bars.

rbodleyscott wrote:

marty wrote:I saw about a week ago that this became available for pre order on Book Depository (about 140 days to go). Is there a list of the armies contained somewhere?

ARAWAK
CARIB
AZTEC
TRIPLE ALLIANCE ALLIES
CENTRAL AMERICAN ALLIES
TLAXCALAN, HUAXTEC OR OTOMI
TARASCAN
ZAPOTEC OR MIXTEC
CHINANTEC
MAYAN
INCA
MAPUCHE OR ARAUCANIAN
AMAZONIAN FOREST TRIBES
TUPI
PUEBLO CULTURE
CHICHIMEC
NATCHEZ
SOUTH-EASTERN WOODLAND CULTURE
TIMUCUAN
EASTERN WOODLAND CULTURE
PLAINS CULTURE
PACIFIC NORTH-WEST CULTURE
COLONIAL SPANISH
DUTCH OR ENGLISH COLONIAL AMERICAN
COLONIAL FRENCH
ENGLISH WEST INDIES EXPEDITION
BUCCANEER
OROMO
WEST SUDANESE
CENTRAL AFRICAN
IMBANGALA OR ZIMBA ALLIES
CENTRAL SUDANESE
FUNJ OR FUR
WEST AFRICAN FOREST
MOSSI
TUAREG
Aviz Portuguese (These actually belong to Trade & Treachery, but were inadvertently omitted from that volume)

rbodleyscott wrote:(The ones with muskets would have coped better as their muskets would have cancelled out armour advantage).

Oh dear, I'd better get on that then, expanding the Iroquois with some musket poses (I assume that the 17th C musket is of the Dutch type, but will check in Heath's book tonight).

rbodleyscott wrote:I am going to try out (mocked up) Iroquois vs a normal (non-colonial) European army tomorrow, to see how viable they might be in open competition. Will let you know how they get on.

Would think the mounted would roll right over them.

hazelbark wrote:

rbodleyscott wrote:I am going to try out (mocked up) Iroquois vs a normal (non-colonial) European army tomorrow, to see how viable they might be in open competition. Will let you know how they get on.

Would think the mounted would roll right over them.

They did. Even in a plantation

At the time the entire Northeast was essentially one giant forest. Would the result be different on a heavily wooded table?

Historically the European colonists did not use mounted to fight the Iroquois, hence my question.

khurasan_miniatures wrote:At the time the entire Northeast was essentially one giant forest. Would the result be different on a heavily wooded table?

Historically the European colonists did not use mounted to fight the Iroquois, hence my question.

1) They would be better in Forests.
2) Other than the Spanish, whose mounted aren't of great quality, the European colonial armies don't have any mounted at all.

The problem is not in themed games but in an open tournament environment.

Thanks for that, it's reassuring as I have just put in the request for 17th C Eastern Forest Indian models!

They will supplement the existing models in my line. There will be new models for musket armed natives (same dress etc but with Dutch muskets), and there will be new models with tomahawks. Also a chief that is unarmoured.

So gamers can use the existing model range to play the pre-contact/very early contact tribes, as they have bows and there are armoured nobles and the armoured chief. Then I will have new molds made for the post-contact troops, with club or tomahawk only, and with musket and hand weapon. The Iroquois in particular seem to have dropped the bow fairly quickly when the musket was introduced.

Great news from Khurasan re musket armed native Americans - looking forward to them as well as the rest of the Irish range.
John

The confederate irish cavalry and mounted command are actually being cast now and may be available within the month. Clibinarium is working on the Scottish pike and shot and mounted, as well as mods to the Irish to make Montrose's Irish Brigade, which will be future releases. He's also going to make a few "humblies" for the Highlanders, which though not represented in FoGR may be mixed into the rear of units for more variety.