Slitherine

Here is a puzzle. The impact rules for state (emphasis in the original):

Evaders who are contacted by chargers always count as having been charged in flank/rear.

Consider the following:

















= Mongol Cv facing down

= Egyptian LH facing up

= Egyptian MF facing down

= Mongol Cv facing up

= empty space

Assume that both Mongol units charge.

The LH evade down the page and end up along side the MF facing down.

The top Mongol Cv rolls low and does not catch the LH.

The lower Mongol Cv hits the MF and the front of the LH that evaded. Does the LH count that contact as a flank/rear charge? I think it does, but might not have played it that way off the cuff.

I think you move both Cav first and the LH will stop 1 MU short of the bottom Cav BG. Then they may well be caught by the BG that charged them.

Evaders always move before chargers. Since the rules say that evaders always counts as caught in flank or rear they will be disrupted and at -- at impact, even though actually hit in the front. Which I personally think is fine as they are not wanting to be hit from any direction to to suddenly find some other troops in your face as you run away must come as a bit of a surprise

philqw78 wrote:Evaders always move before chargers. Since the rules say that evaders always counts as caught in flank or rear they will be disrupted and at -- at impact, even though actually hit in the front. Which I personally think is fine as they are not wanting to be hit from any direction to to suddenly find some other troops in your face as you run away must come as a bit of a surprise

That's how I read it too. But an opponent caught like this will be pretty unhappy when you show him the rule.

spikemesq wrote:That's how I read it too. But an opponent caught like this will be pretty unhappy when you show him the rule.

And then you have him in your pocket, worrying about that instead of worrying about the other cunning tactics you are about to use

Wow! That is a good one.

OK, what about these thoughts? In the RAW it does say that evaders are allowed to shift up to 1 stand width to avoid enemy or stop 1 MU short of enemy they cannot avoid. Since both Mongol Cav BGs are charging and the Egyptian LH evade move is carrying it into the charge path of the 2nd Mongol charger, would it be reasonable to allow the LH to shift 1 base width or stop 1 MU short OR consider them to be charged by 2 units and therefore allow them to split the angle of the chargers for the evade move?

Technically they don't have any enemy to avoid other than the one who charged them so looks like its game over for the LH. Never seen it happen on the TT but if you can pull it off you are a much better general than I am

I guess it becomes like a kind of defacto intercept charge in this case. IIRC an intercept into the path of light troops does not permit the lights to cancel their charge or pull up short, even if not a troop type they could not normally charge. I would treat this situation in the same way.
As they were not an original target of the second charging unit I don't see that they can split the angle for evade direction. As was said I guess they are caught by surprise and do not have time to react?

IanP wrote:I guess it becomes like a kind of defacto intercept charge in this case.

It is not an intercept charge - they have evaded and been caught - albeit by troops that did not initially declare a charge on them.

timurilenk wrote:

IanP wrote:I guess it becomes like a kind of defacto intercept charge in this case.

It is not an intercept charge - they have evaded and been caught - albeit by troops that did not initially declare a charge on them.

Which is why when you declare a charge you do not declare a charge on an enemy BG you simply declare that the BG is charging and in what direction. If you hit something it is typically a bonus