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Clarifying the Interception Move
Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:34 pm
by neilhammond
Hi,
I'm trying to ensure I've understood the Interception Move correctly.
Suppose you have impact infantry AAAAAAAA facing enemy infantry BBBB and enemy knights KKKK, with KKKK slightly refunded. Units are exactly parallel. so you get:
AAAAAAAA
BBBB
........KKKK
If AAAAAAAA initiate a charge on BBBB. Presumable KKKK can declare a Intercept move and try and prevent AAAAAAAA contacting BBBB? The query may be a hang up on my part from DBM's ZOCs, but the "enemy BG charges acorss the ZOI" initially implied to me that the troops needed to be angled to move 'across' a ZOI".
Neil
Re: Clarifying the Interception Move
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:01 am
by rbodleyscott
neilhammond wrote:Hi,
I'm trying to ensure I've understood the Interception Move correctly.
Suppose you have impact infantry AAAAAAAA facing enemy infantry BBBB and enemy knights KKKK, with KKKK slightly refunded. Units are exactly parallel. so you get:
AAAAAAAA
BBBB
........KKKK
If AAAAAAAA initiate a charge on BBBB. Presumable KKKK can declare a Intercept move and try and prevent AAAAAAAA contacting BBBB? The query may be a hang up on my part from DBM's ZOCs, but the "enemy BG charges acorss the ZOI" initially implied to me that the troops needed to be angled to move 'across' a ZOI".
Neil
KKKK can indeed intercept.
I take your point, but of course that is not the only (or even usual) usage of the word "across":
e.g. If you were leading a charge "across no-man's land" would it imply you were doing so at an angle? (To maximise your machine gun casualties)
Can you think of a better way to word it?
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:41 am
by hammy
How about using through rather than across.
In the example here the chargers are charging through the ZOI of the other BG.
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:47 am
by rbodleyscott
hammy wrote:How about using through rather than across.
In the example here the chargers are charging through the ZOI of the other BG.
Thanks Hammy, that covers it I think.
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:42 am
by rbodleyscott
One point I missed when I replied last night:
If KKK is in AAA's normal charge reach then AAA's charge straight forward against BBB automatically counts as a charge on KKK, so KKK cannot in fact intercept but must stay in place and AAA can step forward bases into contact with it (and must do so provided that contact is not lost with the rest of its BG and all bases stepped forward make contact).
If KKK is not in AAA's normal charge reach it can intercept. However, if it chooses not to intercept, AAA can (must? - I would need to check the wording in the rules) step forward elements up to 2MUs to contact it, exceeding AAA's normal charge reach, provided that contact is not lost with the rest of its BG and all bases stepped forward make contact.
I think that is now right - correct me someone if I have missed something.
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:02 pm
by neilhammond
Thanks Richard,
"Through" works for me.
I hadn't appreciated the latter point you've made - i.e. if KKK was in AAA's charge reach then AAA's charge could (must?) be declared on both. A quick glance at the rules implies that its optional. BUT, once the charge is initiated stepping forward is mandatory if an enemy could be contacted within 2 MUs.
I'm assuming that if KKK was outside AAA's charge reach but within the 2MU stepping forward range, AAA can't claim KKK as a target and therefore KKK can Intercept (even though AAA would end up contacting KKK if it did not Intercept)?
In terms of stepping forward, the rules talk about maintaining side-edge to side-edge contact. I suggest you also allow maintaining corner to corner to contact, otherwise you get an artificial sitation where people position bases in corner to corner contact but claim that 0.1mm side edge contact.
Neil
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:09 pm
by rbodleyscott
neilhammond wrote:I hadn't appreciated the latter point you've made - i.e. if KKK was in AAA's charge reach then AAA's charge could (must?) be declared on both. A quick glance at the rules implies that its optional.
"??? Additionally any enemy battle group that is also in the path of the chargers can be contacted and therefore counts as being charged. E.g. if an enemy battle group evades (See P.29) "
I'm assuming that if KKK was outside AAA's charge reach but within the 2MU stepping forward range, AAA can't claim KKK as a target and therefore KKK can Intercept (even though AAA would end up contacting KKK if it did not Intercept)?
Arguable with the wording above.
In terms of stepping forward, the rules talk about maintaining side-edge to side-edge contact. I suggest you also allow maintaining corner to corner to contact, otherwise you get an artificial sitation where people position bases in corner to corner contact but claim that 0.1mm side edge contact.l
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:29 pm
by shall
So charge, so cannot intercept. But technically only contacted if the press forward move allows it - so they might not get to it due to hitting things earlier in the charge.
Si