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LoEG Season 3 Results

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:44 am
by cothyso
Frankly, I kinda fins the way the "distribution" of the points was made at the end of the tournament kind of disappointing.

I understand that is pantherboy's tournament, with his rules, but still..

For the game which were NOT actually played at all until the end of the tournament, on which basis is decided which player should receive the win? I find the fact that some players were active at the end of the tournament while others weren't is in no way inferior to the fact that at the beginning of the tournament there were other players active and inactive. Why a player having more time at the end of the tournament should be gaining an advantage over a player who had more time to play at the beginning?

Also, looking at the tables, I couldn't really figure out any set of rules after which the win were awarded for not played games. Some players got all their unplayed games as wins, while other players got all their unplayed games as loses, not to mention games which were not awarded to any player and so on (they both lost).

At this moment, I really do consider that the present way of "resolving" the unplayed games at the end of a tournament is completely faulty, and doesn't reflect the real situation at all. I think that another way of dealing with the unplayed games is imperative for the fairness of the tournament.

This being said, I thank you all for the good games I had during it, and I'm letting you know that unfortunately I won't participate in any further tournaments due to the complete lack of free time (I am working on the game engine of an ancient tactical wargame, which should have a first version ready soon enough) and particularly into LoEG due to finding the point distribution rules for the unplayed games at the end of the tournament completely faulty.

Thank you.

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:26 pm
by pantherboy
Sorry to dissapoint you. For your clarification points are awarded based upon the % of completed games. Whoever is most active will win. This is to encourage people to finish their games even if losing. In your case talking about being active only at a certain stage of the season then I advise you to set-up a challenge with someone and then post them a password rather than leave a message saying you are available to play. Everyone is under the same time constraints and have to manage their time as efficiently as possible. Being proactive and setting up the game oneself is probably the best way to force people to make time to play you. You finished only 9 games while other players completed near 50. I didn't feel comfortable deleting your matches as you played very well and didn't request to drop from that division but nevertheless your unfinished matches were still with some very good players who did manage to play all their other games.

Best of luck.

Steve

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:51 pm
by MesaDon
I have trouble finding everyone to but I try both methods, posting in the forum and have sent PMs. I finally figured that by watching the forum you can find players that are active at that time by seeing the game results posted. I hope this helps.

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:00 pm
by mceochaidh
Steve,

First let me say that this has been a terrific tournament and I very much enjoyed all of my games. Unfortunately, I now realize that I will be unable to finish, although I have 5 games going on at present and was going to try to start a few more. I will endeavor to finish these, assuming my opponents also have the time. Do these games all have to be finished and reported by end of day Thursday, Dec 23? I am at GMT-5. The reason I ask is that I am off Friday and could spent some time playing.

Thanks again for your great effort at putting this together.

Mac

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:10 am
by CheerfullyInsane
A couple of points.

First, dealing with unfinished games can't possibly be unfair.
It's not a contest, there's no prize for winning, we're not playing for anything but bragging-rights.

Second, the simplest solution to avoid 'unfair' resolutions to unfinished games would be to finish them ;)
Looking at the tables for season 3 several players seems to have managed to finish all games in all 3 leagues.
So apparently it is possible.
As MesaDon pointed out, using both the forums and PMs seems to get the job done.
Of the 40+ games I played in the 3 leagues I think 3 or 4 got started by my opponents, the rest I initiated, usually with a PM.

Third, I am in awe of the amount of time Steve has put into this project.
Running something like this (that apparently keeps growing for each season) is *not* an easy task.
So since he does all the work, I'd say he gets to make the rules.

Lars

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:43 am
by MesaDon
CheerfullyInsane wrote:A couple of points.

It's not a contest, there's no prize for winning, we're not playing for anything but bragging-rights.

Lars
My bragging rights have to do with ................... ????? number of loses? :cry:

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:08 pm
by pantherboy
mceochaidh wrote:Steve,

First let me say that this has been a terrific tournament and I very much enjoyed all of my games. Unfortunately, I now realize that I will be unable to finish, although I have 5 games going on at present and was going to try to start a few more. I will endeavor to finish these, assuming my opponents also have the time. Do these games all have to be finished and reported by end of day Thursday, Dec 23? I am at GMT-5. The reason I ask is that I am off Friday and could spent some time playing.

Thanks again for your great effort at putting this together.

Mac
Hi Mac,

The cut off line is for when I will fill out the tables. This is necessary for me to place players into appropriate Divisions (A,B,C etc.) so that I can begin sorting the recruitment thread. Also by not setting a date then people have a tendency to procrastinate. Any games finished at a later date will have the results added though I cannot gaurantee that they will affect rankings. But getting back to your question I would say any games finished by mid next week will still be fine as I am currently in Taiwan vacationing and then busy gaming when I get back.

Cheers,

Steve

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:18 pm
by CheerfullyInsane
MesaDon wrote:My bragging rights have to do with ................... ????? number of loses? :cry:
*LOL*
Well, we're playing for bragging-rights.
You don't necessarily need to actually use 'em ;)