Slitherine

The current break off move does not appear to have a VMR - any reason for this?

Similarly the foot appear to have no opportunity to pursue? How about making pursuit compulsory unless the foot pass a CMT? Otherwise how will we get a Hastings scenario with the fyrd being pulled out of the line?

Pete

The current break off move does not appear to have a VMR - any reason for this?

None. Do you think it would add anything? If you introduced it a rally back move mighty stay in range of heavy foot.....dramatic indeed. Also it would mean that a line of BGs would fall back different distances.

Similarly the foot appear to have no opportunity to pursue? How about making pursuit compulsory unless the foot pass a CMT? Otherwise how will we get a Hastings scenario with the fyrd being pulled out of the line?

Confused by this one. Mounted always pursue initially. Foot pursue most times or can CMT to pursue. Do you mean pursue a break off move?

IF the latter then it is usually your go to move with the foot troops so you just advance. If you added a VMR for breka-offs you might get to charge a few mouned units - very nasty if you were impact foot. One to mull over.

Si

Otherwise how will we get a Hastings scenario with the fyrd being pulled out of the line?

I think there is a dynamic problem here. I think Pete is talking about 'break off' rather than pursuit. So, Breton charging Huscarl/Fyrd (not disrupting) then breaking off in the interbound. The foot doesn't move (mandatory or not).

I guess it could be modelled by single ranked Cav standing just within charge reach of the Saxons (who would have to be 'shock' of course) to do a CMT not to charge. It doesn't seem quite right though. This really isn't feigned flight! I don't know how you represent the Saxon 'stiffened foot'in AOW .. defensive spear - or HVY weapon (neither of which are shock )

Simon

list_lurker wrote:

Otherwise how will we get a Hastings scenario with the fyrd being pulled out of the line?

I think there is a dynamic problem here. I think Pete is talking about 'break off' rather than pursuit. So, Breton charging Huscarl/Fyrd (not disrupting) then breaking off in the interbound. The foot doesn't move (mandatory or not).

I guess it could be modelled by single ranked Cav standing just within charge reach of the Saxons (who would have to be 'shock' of course) to do a CMT not to charge. It doesn't seem quite right though. This really isn't feigned flight! I don't know how you represent the Saxon 'stiffened foot'in AOW .. defensive spear - or HVY weapon (neither of which are shock )

Simon

We thought probably Poor (with some Average) Offensive Spears. (This would be their role vs an infantry foe).

They are thus shock troops.

Historical opinions differ as to whether the flight was in fact "feigned" at Hastings.

If not, then the current rules would make them pass a CMT not to pursue.

We thought probably Poor (with some Average) Offensive Spears. (This would be their role vs an infantry foe).

They are thus shock troops.

Ok... that fixes it. Out of interest was does that make Vikings?

Historical opinions differ as to whether the flight was in fact "feigned" at Hastings.

If not, then the current rules would make them pass a CMT not to pursue.

OK - breaking the Bretons - then pursuing and the Norman making opponities of it !! assuming they pass their COH tests!!

I can live with it!