Slitherine

Well, i test a little more and find some missing images... i think that we can use this post to note this problems, other could cover list bugs.



In later crusade (Richard I) are some units image missing

-Military order spear and crossbow have the image in DAG but not in the battefield, same for this unit used as commanders.
-Maronite archers, same problem

We have re-designed the graphics system completely. Sometimes there is a lag between adding a BG in the editor and all the figures appearing. We are not sure why and we are working on this. Its nothing to do with the graphics card/RAM. If you save the scenario and then load it again in the editor the 'missing' images will appear. Only a problem in the editor as far as we can tell.

Keith

The screenshot is not from the editor - it is a battle

Looking at this in every sense of that term. Can the Crusader play send me their DAG army from their Documents/Slitherine Folder.

Thanks
Keith

Yes, i test it again and you are right, second time i create the battle all units appear in the battefield.

Of course the image is from the battle but i want refer that when you buy the units they apear but when you deploy it not

PD: is a strange bug because first time you dont see many units but second time that you try it all appear

EDIT: sorry dont ask it, where i can send the DAG file??? thanks.

Send to keith@hexwar.com.

Thanks
Keith

I send the file with the army list... really i find the same problem in other lists... is like you need preload the army to have all images, for the moment i only find this problem in the first load of the list in the battlefield.

Well, in the list of Early crusaders 1100 - 1120 for knights are missing the unit images when you change then from mount soldiers to foot soldiers, the leader unit only have the priest and the non leader unit are totally empty when in the DAG list you can see the unit as HF... and a little question, this units as HF are armed with offesive spear... is this correct??? they miss the sword in favour of the short lance??? really i think that men in arms need more variety of weapons, they can use offesive spear+other weapon (sword or heavy weapon) with a single weapon type these troops are less flexible than they really were...

Oooo other thing that i see is my old enemy, units armed with swords that have lance in the image... in the knights units is a good thing see they armed with swords and only one of the images armed with lance, can do you do the same in the rest of units??? eliminate 2 lances when they are armed with swords???

PD: really some units images are great

The missing image bug is a refresh issue we are working on. Save and load a battle and the images always appear. Seems to be just and issue in scenario creation and in the deployment phase.

There are lots of images that are armed differently to how they look. This is a common issue and covered in the TT rules as well e.g. most Mamluk images from any source show lancers yet in battle their primary weapon in the bow. So they usually get bow/sword not lance/sword. But if the image did not have a lance it would not look like a Mamluk.

Glad you like the images. We reprocessed every single one from the start and we render them differently. The one remaining concern is that some may be out of scale with each other. Some of the Crusader foot are too small and yet to be fixed. We have fixed an issue in the size of some Bactrian images reading for the 137 update already.

Keith

Ok, saving the game and reloading it works fine... yesterday i have the same problem with other units (non dual units, mounted/dismounted) but only the first time i deploy the new army in the battlefield, next time works fine and dont need save it and load it again... seems like with mounted units you need save the game allways and load it again to have the images.

Yes, i know that units not allways show the weapon in the images but i refer to units that only have swords (for example) but in the image are armed with spears, for units with 2 different weapons (lance+sword) of course show the most important is good (lancers have usually the shock troops bonus).

Yep, i notice that usually LF units have bigger soldiers than HF units... well for cavalry is better this, they have easier take then

PD: any plan to show in shoot units the bow icon when you change their defensive actitude??? thanks.

Scutarii wrote: (snip)...
PD: any plan to show in shoot units the bow icon when you change their defensive actitude??? thanks.

I was wondering about this one too.
Would it be possible to simply change the color of the bow-icon when there's a change in evade-levels, instead of inserting a new icon?

Lars

Ummm for shoot units change the icon colour is a good idea or even add over the bow a red X if they stand and a green tick if they retreat all the time... but here the true question is know what units can change the evasion level... LF of course can do it and cavalry yes but what happends with MF, HF and Heavy cavalry units??? that is the question.

Scutarii wrote:Ummm for shoot units change the icon colour is a good idea or even add over the bow a red X if they stand and a green tick if they retreat all the time... but here the true question is know what units can change the evasion level... LF of course can do it and cavalry yes but what happends with MF, HF and Heavy cavalry units??? that is the question.

Seeing as HF and MF can't evade in the first place, giving them an option to change their evade-levels seems a little redundant
If your question is exactly what troop-types can evade, it's Cavalry, Camelry and Light Chariots (unless lance-armed) plus LF/LH.

Lars

Yes i know that MF cant evade but add this option to MF isnt a crazy idea... dont like it but MF are in the middle of HF and LF in cavalry... i think that heavy units (Knights+catafracts) cant do it because have the same move rate than MF and i dont see the heavies running as poor little girls

Scutarii wrote:Yes i know that MF cant evade but add this option to MF isnt a crazy idea... dont like it but MF are in the middle of HF and LF in cavalry... i think that heavy units (Knights+catafracts) cant do it because have the same move rate than MF and i dont see the heavies running as poor little girls

Movement-rate don't enter into it. You can just as easily evade from phalangites as from Gaul cavalry, albeit with a higher chance of being caught by the cav.
The reason knights and cataphracts won't evade is because they're lance-armed, not because they're slower.

Adding evade options to MF is a whole new can of worms, and while they faster than ordered troops, I don't think that alone should give them evade-capability. MF (as I see it) is just loosely organized HF, serving the same purposes.
Besides, imagine a Gaul MF army with evade capability. You'd never catch the buggers.

Lars

EDIT: Not to mention that you'd also end up with evade-capable shock troops. Anarchy-charges and evade in one unit.......
"Charge!"
"No, flee!"
"No, no....Charge!"
"Bugger that, run away!"
And so on....

Getting back to images, why are Military Order Spearmen shown with swords?

Deeter

The same for Catalan mercenaries armed with swords but image have spears... and a little thing, is possible use the catalan mercenaries with swords image for catalan mercenaries armed with offesive spears??? if finally you use a image with swords is much better the other with shield and more than the brown figures

PD: vikings have a great look, they are rude, brave and pretty men

EDIT: i dont say it, the Catalan mercenaries are from medieval Cypriot lists, in the 3 lists.

Egytian list:

Bedouin LH are huge but the average LF bow are tiny compared to the rest of the army.

Deeter

Later Crusaders:

Amerenian spearmen (MF and HF) both use the same HF image -- at least in the DAG army builder images.

Deeter

Playing games against ianiow and another chap and even though we're a few turns in, suddenly all but a few of my troops have dissappeared. Had to completely shut down the game and restart to get the images back.

Deeter