Slitherine

A tactical question for you.

Do pike count as protecting shot if they are in corner to corner contact with shot ? ie

shot shot shot front
shot pike shot rear


Or do the 3 front rank shot count as unprotected v opponents ?

Scrumpy wrote:A tactical question for you.

Do pike count as protecting shot if they are in corner to corner contact with shot ? ie

shot shot shot front
shot pike shot rear


Or do the 3 front rank shot count as unprotected v opponents ?

In HtH they will count as Protected (see later), as this is the norm for late C17th infantry formations - note that in close combat (to the front) the pike base "jumps" to the front rank thus giving "protection" as per page 173 of the rules.

And everyone says that pikes are slow and immobile troops....... Well in the Renaissance they certainly aren't

deadtorius wrote:And everyone says that pikes are slow and immobile troops

Tell that to the Swiss.

rbodleyscott wrote:

deadtorius wrote:And everyone says that pikes are slow and immobile troops

Tell that to the Swiss.

I saw them listed in madaxe's one army list (probabbly game 4 vs some French?). High speed something something.....sheeshhh. Do I even want to know?

Always amazes me how the Swiss pikes took steroids to improve their march speed around 1500 AD and not before.

Did they get faster, or did the rest get slower ?

Scrumpy wrote:Always amazes me how the Swiss pikes took steroids to improve their march speed around 1500 AD and not before.

Did they get faster, or did the rest get slower ?

Just a difference in implementation.

FOGR is not FOGAM. It covers a much shorter period, so has more room for period specific rules. If the same level of period specificity was attempted in FOGAM, the rulebook would be huge.

There is nothing to stop battles of the Swiss-Burgundian war (for example) being played under FOGR if that is preferred, although it is strictly before the start date of the rules (but only by 20 years).

In fact I recommend it.

So do I.

If the Swiss get in contact they can deal out a world of pain. Usually the faster marching speed just gets them into range of shooty things sooner...

Against Burgunians who have less shooting, now that gets to be more fun.

RBS,

Any chance of getting Slitherine to post official Burgundian Wars FoG:AM to FoG:R companion list conversions on the site?

RBS,

Any chance of getting Slitherine to post official Burgundian Wars FoG:AM to FoG:R companion list conversions on the site?

Yes, that would be intersting to see. The Burgundians seem to have taken a fair amount of artillery, which seems pretty useless in FogAM.

rbodleyscott wrote: There is nothing to stop battles of the Swiss-Burgundian war (for example) being played under FOGR if that is preferred, although it is strictly before the start date of the rules (but only by 20 years).

In fact I recommend it.

Perhaps there will be a sixth book, or better yet a free pdf, with point costs for the 15th century armies which can be played using FOGR.
Do you think a fan-made spreadsheet would be acceptable to Slitherine/Osprey, if it avoids the armies to be published?

timmy1 wrote:Any chance of getting Slitherine to post official Burgundian Wars FoG:AM to FoG:R companion list conversions on the site?

Well it isn't rocket science. And why would they need to be "official"? We would not be sanctioning their use in FOGR tournaments.

Because we would hoped that you would sanction their use in FoGR themed tourneys...?

timmy1 wrote:Because we would hoped that you would sanction their use in FoGR themed tourneys...?

Not likely to happen.

The Swiss list would be pretty much the same as the current one anyway.

Its official.. The thing I hate the most in the world is waiting for fog books to arrive...