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Conforming : 2 interpretations
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:34 pm
by bahdahbum
On pg 70 it is clearly written : Conforming usually means lining up each base in full front edge to full front edge contact with an ennemy base, OR conforming to an overlap position .
You have to slide the base by the MINIMUM necessary to conform .
So let's say the attacking unit has a 2 base front and he hits his intendend target frontally but one of the 2 bases is at the extreme left of the target, the base touching frontaly but by a few millimiters . everybody has 2 bases for impact, easy we roll 4 dices . But how to conform .
During one tournament I heard : you have to conform by the MINIMUM necessary , so the whole attacking unit slides on the right ( remember it did hit the extreme left of the target and is in contact by only a few mm ) and so you have one base in full frontal contact and one base as overlap . All charging bases still fight .
During another tournament it was said that : you have first to conform full front edge to full edge, so you must slide to the left to have both initial attacking bases in full contact , not only one of the bases in full contact and the other in overlap .
So what is the right solution .
Regards
Jacques
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:15 pm
by philqw78
The first one.
IMO
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:48 pm
by hazelbark
There is nothing in the rules that specific first slide to full edge. The rules do specify minimum.
So the first one.
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:20 pm
by Polkovnik
It is C.
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:39 pm
by hammy
Polkovnik wrote:It is C.
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:53 pm
by philqw78
You missed the joke Hammy. Never mind. Just tell us what it is for next weekend
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:59 am
by nikgaukroger
philqw78 wrote:You missed the joke Hammy. Never mind. Just tell us what it is for next weekend
It will be as per the rules - by the minimum necessary
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:20 am
by hammy
philqw78 wrote:You missed the joke Hammy. Never mind. Just tell us what it is for next weekend
Err, no, I didn't. I know all about C being the answer......
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:20 pm
by BrigPaul
I reckon its the second one, rules say "minimum neccessary to conform to the enemy bases in contact" - 2 bases in contact after impact so both must be conformed to - or am i missing something?
Paul.
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:23 pm
by philqw78
BrigPaul wrote:I reckon its the second one, rules say "minimum neccessary to conform to the enemy bases in contact" - 2 bases in contact after impact so both must be conformed to - or am i missing something?
Paul.
The bit were you can conform into an overlap position. And you are still in contact, even if only corner to corner
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:08 pm
by hammy
philqw78 wrote:BrigPaul wrote:I reckon its the second one, rules say "minimum neccessary to conform to the enemy bases in contact" - 2 bases in contact after impact so both must be conformed to - or am i missing something?
Paul.
The bit were you can conform into an overlap position. And you are still in contact, even if only corner to corner
But you cannot be in an overlap if there are no bases in frontal contact......
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:09 pm
by philqw78
hammy wrote:But you cannot be in an overlap if there are no bases in frontal contact......
But you can conform to overlap.
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:19 pm
by hammy
philqw78 wrote:hammy wrote:But you cannot be in an overlap if there are no bases in frontal contact......
But you can conform to overlap.
Indeed
But in order to conform to an overlap there has to be a base in frontal contact to make the overlap position an overlap in the first place.
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:34 pm
by philqw78
hammy wrote:But in order to conform to an overlap there has to be a base in frontal contact to make the overlap position an overlap in the first place.
Well if there wasn't the base would not be conforming to overlap so could not conform to that position. Thats why its called conforming to an overlap position
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:47 pm
by hammy
philqw78 wrote:hammy wrote:But in order to conform to an overlap there has to be a base in frontal contact to make the overlap position an overlap in the first place.
Well if there wasn't the base would not be conforming to overlap so could not conform to that position. Thats why its called conforming to an overlap position
Not sure what you are saying there Phil.
Consider:
In this situation where BG a (a column) just hits the end of BG x then BG a will slide over to frontal contact as it cannot slide to an 'overlap' position because the moment it stop being in frontal contact the overlap position does not exist.
If the situation were:
Then BG a would slide to an overlap as BG b would be doing the fighting and thus creating the overlap position.
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:30 pm
by philqw78
And I don't understand why you are telling me this Hammy, since if you go back to the start of the thread I clearly understand what is going on.
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:15 pm
by nikgaukroger
philqw78 wrote:And I don't understand why you are telling me this Hammy, since if you go back to the start of the thread I clearly understand what is going on.
He does indeed
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:38 pm
by philqw78
In this image dark green conforms left as it ends in an overlap position and it is the shortest conform. Light green cannot conform. In the next turn light red would conform. Also by going left (as we view it) as, even though going right is shorter, it would not be in an overlap by going right
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:09 pm
by hazelbark
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:19 pm
by philqw78
How is the light red conform a punch in the face? The dark green is odd. But that is what the rules say. I find your stance on this quite odd Dan.
