Slitherine

Having played a PBEM-game, GS version 1.02

the following occurred:

As the Allies I conquered Germany at 6 june 1944.
Italy already has surrendered.
Some stray vichy france troops occupied Rome.

Vichy France was occupied by the Allies (except Dijon (i'm not sure whether this is part of Vichy France)).

End turn:
Screen: "Minor Axis [sic] Victory".

Our guess is that the reason is that the result is calculated after the end of war. And though the war was ended by Allied Victory over Germany, one capital still is occupied by the Axis (Vichy troops).

This can't be right.

My idea is that Vichy should surrender with Germany and/or Germany+Italy (together with other axis minor powers).
An alternative would be that the game ends after the Vichy troops are kicked out of Rome.

It is possible that this has been changed in a later version, but i'm not aware of this.

Regards,

Marcel

[Edit: i'm not sure whether this is part of France -> i'm not sure whether this is part of Vichy France]

Vichy France has no capital so they won't surrender when Germany surrenders. So the victory capital (Rome) will still be Axis at the time Germany surrenders. This will only happen if the unit holding Paris or Rome won't surrender when Germany surrenders.

Why did a Vichy French unit occupy Rome? Why didn't the Allied player take Rome before Berlin?

I think this situation is so very unlikely that it's probably not a good idea to tamper with the victory conditions code and maybe introduce other bugs.

Hi I checked the latest manual v1.05

URL: http://web.me.com/amcdonel/CEaW-GS/Welcome.html

The Victory conditions were changed in v1.04 that the game will continue to play if Italy surrenders after Germany and Rome is not
Allied control. (see section 49)

So if you upgrade to v1.05 everything the game should continue until May 45' or the Victory conditions are met.

pk867

I guess the problem here is that Vichy France does not have a capital and won't surrender. So Rome will not change to Allied control when Germany surrenders. That means the Axis player still controls one capital when the game ends.

I guess we have to retry that in order to see if it's really a bug. Minor power controlled hexes will not change control to the other side when their controlling major power surrenders. E. g. in the game vs Supermax and Panzergeneral then Iraq and Persia were still Allied controlled when UK surrendered. Germany didn't get the UK controlled minor powers when they took London and Ottawa.

I agree that the reason must be that Vichy doesn't surrender together with Germany, because it hasn't got a capital.
In that sense it's not a bug.

The bug lies in:
"the game ends because of defeat of Italy & Germany (in june 1944)". +
"the victory screen states: 'axis minor victory'".

As for your question why Vichy troops occopied Rome?
I don't know exactly (my opponent does), but knowing this would happen with the victory-screen I would've done the same!
But in that case I would have waited capturing Berlin for a turn, in order for me to capture Rome.

Marcel

I can answer that question: The garrisons in Rome (and Naples I believe) came from North Africa. When the Allies gave up trying to invade Italy by sea, they tried via Nice and Marseille, thus activating the Vichy. The Italian corps went up to defend in the alps, and the Algerians sailed to Italy to defend the coastline. It worked: In this game Italy fell in april 1944.

(needless to mention that this situation is unlikely to happen again - this was our first game, and the both of us have used it as a learning expedition. 'Some' mistakes as well as miscalculations were made on both sides!)