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The up and coming Renaissance rules - anyone know if the base sizes will be the same as DBM like the Ancient & Medieval set are? I'm wanting to finish some 15mm French Wars of Religion off.

Rich69 wrote:The up and coming Renaissance rules - anyone know if the base sizes will be the same as DBM like the Ancient & Medieval set are? I'm wanting to finish some 15mm French Wars of Religion off.

I'm very curious as well.

'Standard' base sizes will be as follows:
25/28mm figs:....60mm x 45mm
15mm figs:.........40mm x 30mm
5mm figs:...........30mm x 20mm (although some double-width bases may be used)
10mm figes:........Select the mosst convenient of the above options.

Infantry Figures will be 4 wide, 2deep on the bases.
Cavalry will be 3 to a base
Artillery will a 1 model to a base.
Depths are not critical, and may be varied to fit the figures comfortably on them - something that affects artillery more than the other 2 arms.

However......
We do allow aternate basing syetems to be used.
Bases of 3 infantry or 2 cavalry wide are perfectly acceptable, and can be used on the same table aas the 'standard' basing above.
My own French army is on 3 wide bases, while my Russians and Prussiand are 4 wide.

Rich, info on the Renaissance rules basing is in the Renaissance forum.

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Terry has helpfully answered the Napoleonic basing question. It sounds like an army of one-rank 40x15 or 40x20 foot bases will need to be paired up two deep OR may be used as is, since depths are not critical.

The bases seem to be the same as Lasalle, which will be good except that it takes a large amount of figures. I wonder if someone can post an army list for a typical starter or average size game? I'm currently getting my collection together for Lasalle and would hate to not have the right figs ready if FOGN becomes the dominate set.

Also, our club seems to be standardizing on 1.5" widths, which is 38.1mm. Is there strict conforming involved in these rules such that a couple mm will matter? I am basing my stuff on 0.75" for Napoleon's Battles, which means two bases to make one FOGN base.

Ian

Also, our club seems to be standardizing on 1.5" widths, which is 38.1mm. Is there strict conforming involved in these rules such that a couple mm will matter? I am basing my stuff on 0.75" for Napoleon's Battles, which means two bases to make one FOGN base.

There is no base to base combat or firing, and no conforming to enemy bases, so a few mm won't make any difference.
I use my Frnech on 3 figure 30mm bases, so a small unit (regiment) of French is actually 90mm wide and my Russian equivalents are only 80mm wide. We're trying to ensure that base widths aren't that critical, so that even if you were playing in a serious (or competition) battle you wouldn't have to re-base your figures.

terrys wrote:

Also, our club seems to be standardizing on 1.5" widths, which is 38.1mm. Is there strict conforming involved in these rules such that a couple mm will matter? I am basing my stuff on 0.75" for Napoleon's Battles, which means two bases to make one FOGN base.

There is no base to base combat or firing, and no conforming to enemy bases, so a few mm won't make any difference.
I use my French on 3 figure 30mm bases, so a small unit (regiment) of French is actually 90mm wide and my Russian equivalents are only 80mm wide. We're trying to ensure that base widths aren't that critical, so that even if you were playing in a serious (or competition) battle you wouldn't have to re-base your figures.

Hello,

I prepare 2 news 15mm armies (French and Russian) for FOGN

My main question at this time is for basing size :
Today, standard FOG infantry basing is 40mm x ~15mm, but for most of Napoleonic rules it's 30mm x 15mm.
So it will be easy for 30 mm depth : you join 2 bases, the problem is breadth 40 or 30mm ?

What will offer the FOGN rules for standard ?
Infantry :
30mm x 30mm ? or
40mm x 30mm ?
Cavalry :
30mm x 30mm ? or
40mm x 30mm ?
I know what you trying to ensure that base widths aren't that critical, but I have to make a choice to build my armies.
FYI, I play with friends in club or in tournament.

what will advice the FOGN rules for standard please ?

Thanks

Pitt (From France)

I've had the figures for an 1812 Anglo-Portuguese army for years waiting to be painted and based. I'd like to get them done in time for the FoGN release. As I understand it each infantry brigade will be a BG of 3 bases, and cavalry brigade also a BG of 3 bases Is this correct so far? How would rifle companies and other skirmishing light troops (eg. cacadores) be represented?

Is it acceptable to put 6 figures on a 40mm wide base?

terrys wrote:'Standard' base sizes will be as follows:
25/28mm figs:....60mm x 45mm
15mm figs:.........40mm x 30mm
5mm figs:...........30mm x 20mm (although some double-width bases may be used)
10mm figes:........Select the mosst convenient of the above options.

Infantry Figures will be 4 wide, 2deep on the bases.
Cavalry will be 3 to a base
Artillery will a 1 model to a base.
Depths are not critical, and may be varied to fit the figures comfortably on them - something that affects artillery more than the other 2 arms.

However......
We do allow aternate basing syetems to be used.
Bases of 3 infantry or 2 cavalry wide are perfectly acceptable, and can be used on the same table aas the 'standard' basing above.
My own French army is on 3 wide bases, while my Russians and Prussiand are 4 wide.

Are skirmisher bases also "standard size"? I would presume so, but with half the figures per base.

Are skirmisher bases also "standard size"? I would presume so, but with half the figures per base.

All bases are the same size (apart from commanders and markers)
Irregular cavalry are only 2 to a base.
Skirmishing infantry are half the figures to a base.
You can use 3 or 4 figures on the base, and it really depends upon how they look.
I've used both, but certainly the older (smaller) figures look better with 4 figures, whereas you can easily get away with 3 of the larger 18mm figures on a single base.

Likewise, you may get away with only 6 of the larger figures on a 'standard' infantry base, but I prefer my units to look compact, so tend to use 8's.

Light infantry units are somewhat different, with 2 normal bases and 2 skirmisher bases. However, they can fight entirely in skirmish formation by replacing the 2 normal bases with skirmishers. The overall effect of this is that you require the same number of figures as for a 'line' unit.

terrys wrote:

Are skirmisher bases also "standard size"? I would presume so, but with half the figures per base.

All bases are the same size (apart from commanders and markers)
Irregular cavalry are only 2 to a base.
Skirmishing infantry are half the figures to a base.
You can use 3 or 4 figures on the base, and it really depends upon how they look.
I've used both, but certainly the older (smaller) figures look better with 4 figures, whereas you can easily get away with 3 of the larger 18mm figures on a single base.

Likewise, you may get away with only 6 of the larger figures on a 'standard' infantry base, but I prefer my units to look compact, so tend to use 8's.

Light infantry units are somewhat different, with 2 normal bases and 2 skirmisher bases. However, they can fight entirely in skirmish formation by replacing the 2 normal bases with skirmishers. The overall effect of this is that you require the same number of figures as for a 'line' unit.

I gather from this that the organic light infantry of line infantry units (e.g., voltigeur companies for French line infantry, light companies of British line, etc.) won't be explicitly represented. The above really only applies to pure light infantry units. Is that correct?

P.S. Sorry for all the questions but it does make a big difference when re-basing all of the line infantry units.

I gather from this that the organic light infantry of line infantry units (e.g., voltigeur companies for French line infantry, light companies of British line, etc.) won't be explicitly represented. The above really only applies to pure light infantry units. Is that correct?

Yes - However, for those players who like to see their light companies in front as a skirmish screen, we allow then to be placed, although only the parent body counts for measuring purposes.

There can occasions where a mix of light and line battalions form the unit - either beccause both regiments are understrength but together they are of equivalent strength, or because they're an ad-hoc mixed formation. In these cases half of the units bases will be of light troops, one of which will be in skirmish formation.
Another situation can occur, which gives the same effect, where the units line infantry were supplimented by addition light companies (like the rifle companies used by the British). In this case a single base of the parent body is replaced by a single skirmisher base.